Heard there would be an announcement on AFW Friday.

[amt66]

That's right old guy....that's the only thing that has changed within AA and TWU......OUR PAY and BENEFITS!!!
When are members going to realize that the TWU is just as corrupt as AA management???? How many additional years of pay cuts are YOU going to endure besides the 9 years WE already took, to realize that Jim Little, Videtich, Gless, Drummond, Conley, Gordon, their secretaries and everyone else living on OUR dime......Has absolutely NO SKIN in this game, yet they're the ones calling the shots on OUR future??? It's time to kick the TWU out the door........and to tell you the truth, at this point I would rather be non-union than have this cancer called the TWU around to collect $600 a year for absolutely nothing in return beside a kick in the arse!!!!

AMEN!!!!!!!

 

[TWU informer]

Heard today the work rules will be available soon. Everyone will be given detailed information to review, those that are so disgruntled, unhappy, or just plain ignorant and unwilling to confirm will be directed to the Admin Office with available resignation/retirement paperwork. Or you can stay around and likely face termination.

I can see some on this forum that if we believe how they post and there attitudes, they would qualify for seperation from AA. But I bet they do not leave.
Easy to whine, ####, complain, and remain miserable. You will be given a choice soon.

If it is untolerable for you, then go ahead and leave instead of continuation of poisoning the environment for those that would like to stay and hopefully have a future.

Once the headcounts are reduced overhaul will no longer be the majority and the next negotiations will set the stage for real MRO conversion. The Line will get theirs then, and overhaul will be fully converted to market rates and working conditions.

Maybe we can ask for an NMB Release and scare Horton into something other than a competetive cost structure? Oh yeah we already tried that and failed miserably.

 

[strikeforce]

I would love to have a real union, but we need a membership too. What difference does it make who represents us if we have TUL calling for the closure of AFW, AFW calling for the closure of TUL. DFW trying to red circle and line guys calling for the outsourcing of all O/H? We can blame the TWU for selling us out time and time again, but how do any of us get anything better if we are willing to drop someone else in the grease? We do know a couple of things for sure. 1-The TWU is only interested in their own bottom line and have sold us out in order to keep the head count up. 2-The company filed BK to get more give backs that they could not get any of the unions to agree to after dragging negotiations out for years.
That said, I will leave it up to the judge to decide. All the gloom and doom and threats by so called experts on this blog mean nothing. The fact is that we handed AA the knife to stab us in the back in 2003. We basically gave away all the benefits we had in order to keep things we didn't have yet. (pension and retiree medical)I refuse to hand the knife to them again. I am guessing they will try to get a multi year contract with us that leaves us with the same crappy benefits and pay(minus the pension the retiree medical), but with much higher medical costs and even more crazy work rules. We already have the worst pay and benefits in the industry, so we really have nothing to lose by voting no. I am actually interested to find out if the retiree medical plan is, as we have been told, BK proof.
BTW.... Today I saw a print out from jetnet. 6 pages of new hires (in Tulsa) dating back to October. Most are building and ACFT cleaners. A few AMTs sprinkled in and a few management hires.

I can tell you this....this threat called BK has hit home for some people and they are down right scared, and will vote for anything and I do mean anything as long as they have a J. That's what I call the TWU threat and it works time and time again. That's not me! I can assure you it's gonna be ugly but WE all need to keep in perspective the fact that WE are at the low of lows as far as pay and bennies, and I'm not willingly going to vote for more misery for my children and basically live at AA in order to survive....THAT'S NOT ME!!! The time has come for the membership to stand tall and tell AA where to go, and let them go thru the motions to abrogate the CBA. Either way, you will live under the same terms voluntarily accepted or imposed. So, let them use all the consultants, lawyers and spend the remaining cash because at the end WE all lose. I'm done!!

 

[TWU informer]

I can tell you this....this threat called BK has hit home for some people and they are down right scared, and will vote for anything and I do mean anything as long as they have a J. That's what I call the TWU threat and it works time and time again. That's not me! I can assure you it's gonna be ugly but WE all need to keep in perspective the fact that WE are at the low of lows as far as pay and bennies, and I'm not willingly going to vote for more misery for my children and basically live at AA in order to survive....THAT'S NOT ME!!! The time has come for the membership to stand tall and tell AA where to go, and let them go thru the motions to abrogate the CBA. Either way, you will live under the same terms voluntarily accepted or imposed. So, let them use all the consultants, lawyers and spend the remaining cash because at the end WE all lose. I'm done!!

You will soon qualify for resignation, retirement, or termination. And they will let you choose.

 

[TWU informer]

I would love to have a real union, but we need a membership too. What difference does it make who represents us if we have TUL calling for the closure of AFW, AFW calling for the closure of TUL. DFW trying to red circle and line guys calling for the outsourcing of all O/H? We can blame the TWU for selling us out time and time again, but how do any of us get anything better if we are willing to drop someone else in the grease? We do know a couple of things for sure. 1-The TWU is only interested in their own bottom line and have sold us out in order to keep the head count up. 2-The company filed BK to get more give backs that they could not get any of the unions to agree to after dragging negotiations out for years.
That said, I will leave it up to the judge to decide. All the gloom and doom and threats by so called experts on this blog mean nothing. The fact is that we handed AA the knife to stab us in the back in 2003. We basically gave away all the benefits we had in order to keep things we didn't have yet. (pension and retiree medical)I refuse to hand the knife to them again. I am guessing they will try to get a multi year contract with us that leaves us with the same crappy benefits and pay(minus the pension the retiree medical), but with much higher medical costs and even more crazy work rules. We already have the worst pay and benefits in the industry, so we really have nothing to lose by voting no. I am actually interested to find out if the retiree medical plan is, as we have been told, BK proof.
BTW.... Today I saw a print out from jetnet. 6 pages of new hires (in Tulsa) dating back to October. Most are building and ACFT cleaners. A few AMTs sprinkled in and a few management hires.

You also will soon qualify for resignation, retirement, or termination. And they will let you choose.

 

[TWU informer]

Heard today the work rules will be available soon. Everyone will be given detailed information to review, those that are so disgruntled, unhappy, or just plain ignorant and unwilling to conform will be directed to the Admin Office with available resignation/retirement paperwork. Or you can stay around and likely face termination.

I can see some on this forum that if we believe how they post and there attitudes, they would qualify for seperation from AA. But I bet they do not leave.
Easy to whine, ####, complain, and remain miserable. You will be given a choice soon.

If it is untolerable for you, then go ahead and leave instead of continuation of poisoning the environment for those that would like to stay and hopefully have a future.

Once the headcounts are reduced overhaul will no longer be the majority and the next negotiations will set the stage for real MRO conversion. The Line will get theirs then, and overhaul will be fully converted to market rates and working conditions.

Maybe we can ask for an NMB Release and scare Horton into something other than a competetive cost structure? Oh yeah we already tried that and failed miserably.

 

[Tex-Mech]

Watching channel 8, WFAA here in Fort Worth and they ran a blurb that they have exclusive coverage of the plan, and will air it on the 10 PM news tonight.
I will try and post the details later on tonight.

 

[strikeforce]

You will soon qualify for resignation, retirement, or termination. And they will let you choose.

I didn't see STRIKE!!

You go ahead and enjoy

Can you say "got A&P"

I didn't think so!!

 

[TWU informer]

I didn't see STRIKE!!

You go ahead and enjoy

Can you say "got A&P"

I didn't think so!!

Are you related to Bob Owens?
Strike is not going to happen, and I know folks who have bought their A&P for less than the cost of your water bill for one year.
You can claim it makes you superior, but that is nothing more than a false idol

 

[767 mechanic]

Are you related to Bob Owens?
Strike is not going to happen, and I know folks who have bought their A&P for less than the cost of your water bill for one year.
You can claim it makes you superior, but that is nothing more than a false idol

I don't think it makes you superior as you say,but it does give you more options. Maybe that is why you complain about the line and Bob so much. Are you feeling a little nervous that something may happen to T=Town? I guess we will all find out what our fate is on Wed. You may not have the options that people with lower seniority have,but if you would have done somthing in the years since you hired in (1983 right) you would have the same options. Who is at fault for that?

 

[OldGuy@AA]

Strike just put this waste of sperm on ignore like I did. It is much better. Then you don't have to read the idiotic posts at all.

 

[Buck]

I didn't see STRIKE!!

You go ahead and enjoy

Can you say "got A&P"

I didn't think so!!

With the TWU, I would not be so sure that your A&P will protect you. You could find other Tilte I mechanics bumping A&P's out to the line..... or other than Title I causing Churn.

 

[Boomer]

Heard today the work rules will be available soon. Everyone will be given detailed information to review, those that are so disgruntled, unhappy, or just plain ignorant and unwilling to conform will be directed to the Admin Office with available resignation/retirement paperwork. Or you can stay around and likely face termination.

I can see some on this forum that if we believe how they post and there attitudes, they would qualify for seperation from AA. But I bet they do not leave.
Easy to whine, ####, complain, and remain miserable. You will be given a choice soon.

If it is untolerable for you, then go ahead and leave instead of continuation of poisoning the environment for those that would like to stay and hopefully have a future.

Once the headcounts are reduced overhaul will no longer be the majority and the next negotiations will set the stage for real MRO conversion. The Line will get theirs then, and overhaul will be fully converted to market rates and working conditions.

Maybe we can ask for an NMB Release and scare Horton into something other than a competetive cost structure? Oh yeah we already tried that and failed miserably.

By all means, the TWU should demand that an Obama Administration led NMB should release all of the contractual parties to self-help during an election year in order to prevent the same outcome as was held in, LINK PROVIDED: NWA v. AFA

The simple reasoning is that if AMR wishes to impose unreasonable terms on the Union Represented labor groups: we then have the ABILITY to perform whatever actions we deem necessary to protect our membership; or, together with the leadership of AMR, we can do the things that we do best to become both an employer and investment vehicle of choice.

Enough rhetoric from the scared and crying, enough rhetoric from the uber unionista's, enough rhetoric from the company apologists.

Rack the balls on the table, que up the hitters' and let's let this friggin thing fly with both sides willing and able to hit and take one.

We either will, or will not be one of the winners.

If let free of governmental intrusion: the parties to the contracts, after the fighting stops, will at last be able to look at each other honestly without the courts, lawyers and consultants having pocketed billions in fees; then, those that remain can together decide whether this thing we share should continue.

Regards,
Boomer

 

[700UW]

TWU Informer,

I guess you still dont understand the Section 1113c process.

The company cannot just change things, they have to negotiate with the union, usually get about three month time frame.

Why are you posting misinformation and trying to scare people?

 

[Tex-Mech]

The WFAA story was more of the same. Nothing new like the teaser said.