IAM Fleet Service topic

[Jester]

You might want to check TWU Southwest ramp has TWU and they have a good contract
http://www.twu555.org/uploads/2008-2011%20CBA.pdf

How quickly we all forget... "Season's Beatings" Everyone from the City of Brotherly Love the last time the TWU tried to move in on the IAM's property.

http://www.usatoday.com/travel/flights/2006-02-09-union-fight_x.htm

So Reminiscences Jester.

 

[roabilly]

The IAM protected the bankrupt companies so that they could leave bankruptcy. Unfortunately, they didn't protect their members. IAM members are still in bankruptcy 5 years later with bankruptcy contracts. Not even profit sharing even though all other unions took care of that for their members. They still could have won the DL election but the fact remains the guy in charge hasn't the slightest clue on how to treat anyone other than trying to make them his b*tch. Therefore, as they just keep on repeating the same loser organizing techniques, future results are very predictable. Here's an illustrative link

I hear yahh Janitor…

We done replaced the Sheriff… I guess it’s time to git a new District Attorney!

 

[The Janitor]

Split the baby
What happens when a union airline merges and the unions decide to have a vote…. ?
An alliance between IBT and IAM might be the answer
http://calfleetserviceteamsters.com/sites/calfleetserviceteamsters.com/files/CAL-UAL_ComparisonChart_11.12.10.pdf




You might want to check TWU Southwest ramp has TWU and they have a good contract
http://www.twu555.org/uploads/2008-2011%20CBA.pdf

TWU is horrible. They are most likely going to be voted out by the American mechanics very shortly. A good read is over on the US AVIATION American air page.
When the TWU and IAM are on the same property, the IAM always is superior. TWU wackos just gave southwest some language to contract out all new stations that have less than 12 flights. IAM wouldn't budge on that when Southwest wanted the same language. Plus, IAM always makes more money than TWU whenever are on the same property. About .70 more an hour on southwest. When the lame TWU was at America West, the contract was horrible. As bad as the IAM bankrupt contract is that the previously leadership signed through the urging of the INTL, it is still much better than anything the TWU had at the west.

As far as IAM/IBT, that's probably the most likely scenario. Won't have to have the company automatically recognize it with a sweetheart agreement since there isn't a danger of a no vote.

 

[Kev3188]

Nothing will change in any of these unions until they start to actively promote an agenda instead of just being reactionary. Settling for "getting a little cash in our members' pockets, " or boo-hooing about "having a gun to our heads" will only sentence the rank and file to more regression...

 

[The Janitor]

Nothing will change in any of these unions until they start to actively promote an agenda instead of just being reactionary. Settling for "getting a little cash in our members' pockets, " or boo-hooing about "having a gun to our heads" will only sentence the rank and file to more regression...

If that's the case then the only way to make either union better would be to remove the deadbeat INTL officers. If things don't pick up fast then perhaps that is where union members need to focus their energies on.

 

[roabilly]

If that's the case then the only way to make either union better would be to remove the deadbeat INTL officers. If things don't pick up fast then perhaps that is where union members need to focus their energies on.

I’m pretty sure the boys down here in CLT still have a little bit of energy/fight left em’… we just need a cause… a ‘focus’ if you will!

Unions should be focused on growing membership in this industry… that is how we gain influence at the table by increasing industry standards. Perhaps the folks at the top of the international are not as focused as (we) the membership. Worse yet… maybe they have become complacent and entrenched… living high on the hog, and riding the gravy train?!

So validitate eremum quamdam status classis habitant.

 

[john john]

there isn't a danger of a no vote.

If there is not enough votes for a union IAM/IBT then the union is of the property. That is why a vote is risky

 

[dexter]

So at 30 million in dues a year at a minimum for TSA workers, how much of the pie will the AFL-CIO "other" Unions or as Janitor calls them "fronts"==CWA for example will be their take? That is if these affilliates are assisting TSA, surely there must be some kind of money going out. You see, unless they get rid of the "old wood", this Union thing is a dying business.

 

[700UW]

Unions dont get money from the AFL-CIO, they AFL-CIO gets money from the unions that belong to it.

 

[roabilly]

I suppose the real question here is… will politics… personal vendettas… and ulterior motives supersede the success of Organized Airline Labor?

Anyone taking odds?

 

[Jester]

I suppose the real question here is… will politics… personal vendettas… and ulterior motives supersede the success of Organized Airline Labor?

Anyone taking odds?

Egads! My Dearest Mr. Roabilly!

Why I believe you are sounding like yours truly! Now at this point I could accuse you of being a Management wolf in sheep's clothing attempting to sow dissension amongst the ranks and demand you provide evidence that you are, in fact, a fellow fleet service agent, as myself!

When did your epiphany and moment of clarity take place, as to the general pettiness and unprofessionalism of the IAM's cronyism disguised as leadership? Was it after the Delta/NWA election results announcement? Was it after the Change of Control ruling failed to produce raises? Was it the carte blanche attendance policy the IAM gave Management? Was it the empty void of meaningful career and educational experiences on the Executive Committee? Maybe it was New Direction team privately warning you the contract negotiations were not likely to produce pay raises? Inquiring minds want to know! I want to know!

So Queries Jester!

 

[roabilly]

Egads! My Dearest Mr. Roabilly!

Why I believe you are sounding like yours truly! Now at this point I could accuse you of being a Management wolf in sheep's clothing attempting to sow dissension amongst the ranks and demand you provide evidence that you are, in fact, a fellow fleet service agent, as myself!

When did your epiphany and moment of clarity take place, as to the general pettiness and unprofessionalism of the IAM's cronyism disguised as leadership? Was it after the Delta/NWA election results announcement? Was it after the Change of Control ruling failed to produce raises? Was it the carte blanche attendance policy the IAM gave Management? Was it the empty void of meaningful career and educational experiences on the Executive Committee? Maybe it was New Direction team privately warning you the contract negotiations were not likely to produce pay raises? Inquiring minds want to know! I want to know!

So Queries Jester!

Well now Mr. Jester…

There are several avenues of pursuit in these regards… could it be your uncanny sarcastic intuition…could it be reverse psychology… or maybe even a fracture in the facade of organized labor?

One thing for certain is this… your “inquiring mind” wants to know for reasons that are not advantageous to the Fleet Service Group.

For now… let’s place this in the riddle category… you will have to do more research!

So positionibus ex provocat mordacitas?

 

[The Janitor]

I see the Pilot and stew union have worked the government to get waivers for pilots and the stews from going through body scanners. Does anyone know if the CWA, IBT, TWU, or IAM are working hard for the ground workers to get a waiver for them? What would be the difference since all work on the other side of security?

 

[700UW]

The IAM was working on the CO's FA's, no one has made it an issue about ground workers. And the AFA is part of the CWA.

 

[john john]

Was it after the Change of Control ruling failed to produce raises? Was it the carte blanche attendance policy the IAM gave Management? Maybe it was New Direction team privately warning you the contract negotiations were not likely to produce pay raises?

What did the new contract with IAM (fleet service) and the company produces in regards to improve raises benefits and scope