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^This^Bob Owens said:First off splitting us up between two different Unions is about the worst plan anyone could think of, if both unions are too meek to fight to get us then then split up the membership by class and craft, not location. One Contract group goes to the TWU, the other goes to the IAM. that I could support...
Bob that's pretty much the bottom line thereBob Owens said:One thing you can be sure of no matter what we are told, they are not going to walk away from Millions in dues.
Read pages 4 and 5.Bob Owens said:So the NMB is saying that they would have no say in an election that 700 is claiming could result in decertification?
A. Joint Agreement for the Formation of the AssociationOn September 9, 2005, the IBT and CWA entered into a Joint Agreement for the Formation of the Association (Agreement). On or about September 22, 2005, CWA mailed out ballots and other information regarding the proposed Agreement to all East Passenger Service Employees. The ballot contained the following question: "Do you agree that CWA, the US Airways Passenger Service union, should form an association with the Teamsters, the America West Passenger Service union, to jointly represent the Passenger Service employees when the two airlines merge?" The ballot contained spaces in which to mark yes or no. On October 13, 2005, the ballots were counted. The count determined that a substantial majority of employees, who voted, voted in favor of the formation of the Association.
On September 15, 2005, the IBT sent letters to all West Passenger Service Employees announcing the formation of the Association, explaining its purpose and providing information on an internal union referendum to determine whether West’s Passenger Service Employees would consent to a transfer of IBT’s certification to the Association. On September 23, 2005, ballots were mailed out to West Passenger Service Employees along with the Agreement forming the Association and its Constitution. The ballot asked the following question: "Do you consent to a transfer of the International Brotherhood of Teamsters’ certification as the designated representative of America West Airlines, Inc.’s Passenger Service Employees to the Airline Customer Service Employee Association – IBT and CWA?" On October 14, 2005, the ballots were counted by an independent election supervisor hired by the IBT. The count determined that a substantial majority of those voting consented to the transfer of the IBT’s certification to the Association.
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In their request to transfer their certifications to the Association, the IBT and CWA argue that the RLA requires only that the Board investigate a request to transfer a certification based on a union merger or affiliation rather than mandating any procedures for such an investigation. Continental Airlines, Inc., v. Nat’l Mediation Brd., 793 F. Supp. 330 (D.D.C. 1991), aff’d mem., 957 F.2d 911 (D.C. Cir. 1992), cert. denied, 493
U.S. 974 (1992).
In most instances, the Board grants a transfer request based upon assertions contained in the transfer request letters. Consolidated Rail Corp., 28 NMB 30 (2000); Big Sky Transp. Co., 25 NMB 376 (1998); Desert Sun Airlines, 24 NMB 137 (1997); Northwest Airlines, 18 NMB 446 (1991); Transtar Airlines, 14 NMB 377 (1987).
There is no evidence of fraud or gross abuse in the affiliation or election process conducted by the IBT and CWA. Each organization conducted a secret ballot of its members. In each election a substantial majority of those who voted, voted in support of the formation of the Association and the request to transfer individual certifications to the Association. Based on its investigation, the Board finds that the IBT and CWA have affiliated for the purpose of representing Passenger Service Employees at the combined carrier. The Board’s records are revised to reflect the transfer of the certification issued to CWA in NMB Case No. R-6435 to the Association and the certification issued to IBT in NMB Case No. R-7011 is also transferred to the Association.
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Correct Bob. I still say the No-Union or Non-Union option that 700 is representing from the IAM is a complete scare tactic to get everyone scared into voting for the alliance, hence TWU/IAM keep the dues, AND would be much, much harder to replace the union or alliance.Bob Owens said:So in other words even if the members voted "No Union", as far as the NMB is concerned this was simply an internal referendum and has no weight as far as whether or not the members are represented or not, since there was no official representation election as far as they were concerned, just an internal referendum that did not pass. As far as the NMB is concerned nothing has changed, even if voted down the two unions could go ahead and file for the Association, or, however very unlikely, walk away and say they no longer want to represent those workers. But in any event a "NO Union" vote would not in itself decertify either Union in the eyes of the NMB.
And I quote for you 700UW; " Each organization conducted a secret ballot of its members."Tex-Mech said:Read pages 4 and 5.
http://www.nmb.gov/representation/deter2006/33n027.pdf
The unions held the votes, and the NMB certified the new association based on the internal union vote and joint application.