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Mergers happen because of the billions of dollars that investors bring. Those billions of dollars bring jobs and security for our members.

So if the company gets the negotions committee to give up language that protects workers such as the Change of Contol Clause (as weak as it is) or the weak team caves in giving up other fleet service work what good is that billions of dollars if the company farms out your station and lays your assss off?


Oh yeah don't forget the 60 day rule and your back to day one pay! Lets see them bring that one back to the members
 
??? for districtforce,

WHY should the members have to take MORE concessions on getting scope and language and some benefits back in

THERE contract that was once there , BEFORE the boss negotiated them away ..

Also lets the set the record straight. WE the membership VOTED DOWN THE T/A based on the concessions and the willingness to

farm out more stations and give our P/S to DP for a christmas present..

We didn't vote to GO to the COC thats the spin the BOSS put on it to try and save his crusty face..

get the facts correct please !!
 
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Mr. Nelson
In case you forgot, there was a merger. Your company wanted transition agreements in place and worked with us enough to come to an agreement. Our members from the west voted to pass the last transition agreement and would have received a 22% pay increase. You voted for the change of control grievance and lost. Now we have mergers on the horizon and you are attempting to use that as leverage. How many jobs do you plan to lose? You don't know the first thing about negotiating, it's give and take.

Your company will not be a participant in mergers if it can not come to a transition agreement with its workforce and if you want to be responsible for putting your company in an uncompetitive disadvantage then you can expect layoffs and possibly bankruptcy again.

Mergers happen because of the billions of dollars that investors bring. Those billions of dollars bring jobs and security for our members.

Here's another one! :angry:

Certainly Doug Parker isn't afraid taking millions from the company and stock options on a yearly basis. If he's so unsure of the future of the company, why doesn't he follow the suit of the DL ceo and refuse such lavished amounts of money until he is certain of the companies future?

Give and take? Tell me. Why was customer service offered a GREATER top-out pay, AND... I repeat... AND still included in the profit sharing plan? Why does fleet service have to "concede" anything when none of the other workgroups are? Your justification was NONSENSE. They get full sick pay, and none of this wait one day first garbage.

They had a union that worked for them!

Our members of the West are ignorant. I was one of the 50 people in Phoenix that recognized that this contract reeked of failure and concession. When you put a steak in front of a starving mans face, he will eat it, but the East wasn't about to get foot in mouth!

Be gone with you, we want people in here that will fight agressively for what's OURS!

And by the way - How god D*MN dare you blame us for anything. If we are put at any disadvantage among other airlines, it is by no fault of the employees actions. We are not dead last in EVERYTHING because of the employee. The employee is the only reason money is brought into this company. Every stage of the merger was a disaster, and the policies put in place, such as training employees are catastrophic failures. Middle and upper management in PHX are a joke. They run their company on fear and favoritism, while the employee suffers from tormenting superiors and shoddy business practices. Piss on your concessionary contract and passive agressive negotiating techniques, your days are numbered.

We are not Wal-Mart. Just remember that.

I can't see a better example here of WHY it's time for us to drink some pepto and purge the stink of the current IAM regieme
 
Mr. Nelson
In case you forgot, there was a merger. Your company wanted transition agreements in place and worked with us enough to come to an agreement. Our members from the west voted to pass the last transition agreement and would have received a 22% pay increase. You voted for the change of control grievance and lost. Now we have mergers on the horizon and you are attempting to use that as leverage. How many jobs do you plan to lose? You don't know the first thing about negotiating, it's give and take.

Your company will not be a participant in mergers if it can not come to a transition agreement with its workforce and if you want to be responsible for putting your company in an uncompetitive disadvantage then you can expect layoffs and possibly bankruptcy again.

Mergers happen because of the billions of dollars that investors bring. Those billions of dollars bring jobs and security for our members.
O-man is correct "THE CONCESSION STAND IS CLOSED"
I don't know where you get these stupid interpertations of the vote on the last T/A. Well actually I do. That was the "spin" that Canole tried to put on it after losing the vote. It was not voted down because of the COC. It was voted down because it was a P.O.S. If it had been fair then the membership would have accepted it regardless of the pending COC case.

I do want to thank you for proving our point.

We have something the company wants and that is a T/A. You want to blame us for putting the company at a disadvantage. How about putting the blame where it belongs and that is squarely with the company. Treat us fairly and with dignity and they can have their precious T/A. Then they can move forward and have their mergers.
 
Your company wanted transition agreements in place and worked with us enough to come to an agreement.

A Union does NOT represent the Companys interest. It represents the Union MEMBERS interests. Yes, some times they are one in the same. They are not in this case.

Our members from the west voted to pass the last transition agreement and would have received a 22% pay increase.

Correct. Unfortunatly you forgot about the why. Myself, and I know many others in the West voted for the TA to stop the bleeding. Canale won't pursue Section 6 so it was a way to protect us. We did this knowing that it was an appaling TA. Well, it failed, and we're losing more money. Since it's apparant to me that I can't get representation (unless PHL and CLT like it) I am voting down EVERY future TA unless and until it includes retro. If Canale (or anyone else for that matter) wants my vote for a TA, you need to get me the pay I've lost during this travesty of non representation. The ONLY way around this is to pursue section 6 and gets the West a decent contract. END OF FILE.
 


Our members of the West are ignorant. I was one of the 50 people in Phoenix that recognized that this contract reeked of failure and concession. When you put a steak in front of a starving mans face, he will eat it, but the East wasn't about to get foot in mouth!


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Thanks for all of that Chilly. I'm particularly interested in educating PHX. I'm
not there so its easy to say. How bout some kind of campain of putting out
new flyers everyday, like about 500 or so. Ron and the company will take
them down but the next day there thay are again. Each day a different but
very simple large print message could be passed out and posted. Then
after about two weeks of this and the messages get a little more pithey.
Each one could have a logo for the new direction team.

Thanks for your support. BF
 
Mr. Nelson
In case you forgot, there was a merger. Your company wanted transition agreements in place and worked with us enough to come to an agreement. Our members from the west voted to pass the last transition agreement and would have received a 22% pay increase. You voted for the change of control grievance and lost. Now we have mergers on the horizon and you are attempting to use that as leverage. How many jobs do you plan to lose? You don't know the first thing about negotiating, it's give and take.

Your company will not be a participant in mergers if it can not come to a transition agreement with its workforce and if you want to be responsible for putting your company in an uncompetitive disadvantage then you can expect layoffs and possibly bankruptcy again.

Mergers happen because of the billions of dollars that investors bring. Those billions of dollars bring jobs and security for our members.
In case you forgot, there was a merger.

No, in case you forgot we already gave up for this merger!!!!!!!!

Your company wanted transition agreements in place and worked with us enough to come to an agreement.

" Your?" You sound like an IAM management negotiator............"worked with us" You see thats the problem. You don't consider yourself as one of us, so we're going to change that real soon.......You had ur chance to be the advocate but now ur the enemy.

Our members from the west voted to pass the last transition agreement and would have received a 22% pay increase.

Bull C..p..........I'll bet 75% of them never got past the $$$ page...But thats changing, because we are educating them quickly. Where I work we had a visitor who opened their eyes about how this "NEW" company feels about them. I've never seen so many people talk it up as I did today. I use the word "NEW" because the old west company wasn't the greatest but they were a whole lot better then the new.

Your company will not be a participant in mergers if it can not come to a transition agreement with its workforce

BINGO..... now thats the most intelligent thing you've said....I couldn't agree more.....we have what they want!!!!!!

if you want to be responsible for putting your company in an uncompetitive disadvantage then you can expect layoffs and possibly bankruptcy again.


Thats ur problem......The company is putting themselves their not us! We gave already. Their making money! it's time to give back.....period....


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"Maybe I am being picky here, but I didn't see much in the way of qualifications for those mentioned, and I even know some of them to be decent people.

I guess my point being, while there an agenda and seemingly nice enough and well-intention enough people on the New Directions slate, that doesn't mean they know what they are doing (not to say the IAM All-Star Team has impressed me all that much either in the past two years).

Mashing bags doesn't an effective experience make. How about something about their backgrounds? Education? Training as it relates to their desired positions? Work experience? I don't think this is being unreasonable as I hope this election does not get down to being a popularity contest with bright promises followed by dismal performances.

So Opines Jester. "


Okay, I have to jump in here and give you my two cents. First let me say I'm not one of "Canale's Boys" but I have had the opportunity to work with them on some things. These are educated and experienced men who want to do the right thing for our membership. They have been given a difficult job in trying to get a merger contract, and to represent us in this difficult time of bringing two totally different work cultures together. These guys are in a no win situation right now. There is no way to get the company to agree with something that's going to make both sides happy. The company will not let that happen. The IAM cannot force the company to give us something they have no intention of giving to Fleet Service. You all seem to forget the company has an agenda also. You guys are making the company SO happy right now. The company LOVES you guys on here! You are dividing us and making us a weak Union. DP and his boys are drinking their coffee, reading this, and laughing their as*es off at us!!! You are giving the company more than they could ever ask for! Redirect your anger, it needs to be towards the company! Not those trying to help you! If you all had done your job and read what the district put out at the time we voted on the TA you would have seen where the company started and where IAM wound up, and what happened in between. I know it was a lot to read and rather time consuming but it was enlightening. Can't help but wonder now if any of you are even going to bother reading all of this! As far as concessions in the TA, the West side were the ones to lose the most. Sick Pay, Paid Short and Long Term disability come to mind first. Higher Insurance costs, but more pay. Loss of outsourcing protection, was HUGE! The East side is not in Section 6, you are just getting a gift, with any small improvements that were in there. Ok, profit sharing, that was a big mistake to give that up! Keep in mind the company does not have to give you anything better. They are NOT obligated to improve on what you currently have. I know that won't be popular, but guess what, I'm not here to make new buddies, just to tell you guys the way I see it.
These men have put in a lot of time and effort for you, away from their families only to get sh** on by those of you who think you know better, or those of you with your own agenda. You guys who are promoting the "New Direction" team are the same ones who have been trying to get rid of IAM. The same ones who gave false information about the TA. The same ones who are promoting a bunch of people who have very little experience and education. I know a lot of the guys on the "New Directions" team. They are okay people to hang out with at the conventions, but, as a whole, they LACK THE EXPERIENCE AND THE EDUCATION we need to take us forward, with the exception of a couple (2), who I will most definitely vote for. Jester is right to question the training, work experience, background and education. PF has a Masters degree in Labor for starters! You can not find someone who can do a better job than him. Does anyone on the "New Direction" slate have this? Just what does the "New Direction" team have in the way of education and experience? The other men, at minimum have had training at Placid Harbor, which is something all of you need to try and do, ask your local to send you.
I do not endorse all the guys on the Districts slate, I don't follow blindly. I do endorse most however. We need the knowledge and the experience these guys have, to take us forward. It would be self defeating to get rid of all of them. To do so would be erasing history and then repeating it, taking us backwards instead of moving us forward.
I do not agree with all that's gone on as far as appointments go, but let's look at changing some of the by-laws. Let's have some positive action instead of just complaining. If you were in Canale's position and had to make an appointment according to the by-laws, how would you do this? Most likely it would be to someone you know. Walk a mile in someone's shoes before you pass judgment. Canale is the right man to lead us! Maybe Rich will be someday, but at this time...he's just not ready...IMO. I say find out who's who, don't listen to the same few people on here bickering. Go get some real valid information. Then make a decision based on facts and qualifications.
Just my thoughts, not going to engage in any online conflicts. Have at it y'all!
 
As far as concessions in the TA, the West side were the ones to lose the most. Sick Pay, Paid Short and Long Term disability come to mind first. Higher Insurance costs, but more pay. Loss of outsourcing protection, was HUGE! The East side is not in Section 6, you are just getting a gift, with any small improvements that were in there. Ok, profit sharing, that was a big mistake to give that up! Keep in mind the company does not have to give you anything better. They are NOT obligated to improve on what you currently have.


Oh but I think they ARE. They do not expect us to do more work and be paid the same do they? And why would anybody in their right mind vote for all of THAT? Now we got them by the grapes if they wanna merge again!

That's concessionary, and I wouldn't be surprised if sometime the truth about some payoff is brought to light. No WAY is this contract ever considered competitive.
 
Election Update: FLL, PBI, MIA

Went to THE NEW DIRECTION team. Congrats to these stations for sticking it to Boss Canale.

Next week we go for the 'hat trick' by trying to pick up TPA to go in the bag with FLL, and MCO who are already in the NEW DIRECTION TEAM bag. The NEW DIRECTION TEAM's focus of picking up the 'Twin Towers of Hubs' Den and ORD, and the 'grand slam' on US AIRWAYS hubs, along with big United stations HNL, JFK, a split in SFO, and a spinkling of smaller stations.

regards,

Tim Nelson
IAM Local Chairman, 1487, Chicago
 
"You guys are making the company SO happy right now. The company LOVES you guys on here! You are dividing us and making us a weak Union."


Holding

I THINK THE COMPANY IS GETTING AN EDUCATION ON THE KIND OF PEOPLE THEY HAVE WORKING FOR THEM!!!!

I ALSO THINK THE OPPOSITE OF YOU AND I THINK, IF ANYTHING, IT'S MADE US MORE COHESIVE AS A GROUP. BUT ONLY TIME WILL TELL RIGHT?

PF COULD PART THE SEAS AND TURN A LOAF OF BREAD TO GOLD AND I STILL WOULDN'T ACCEPT HIS TA.....


" Forgive them for they know not what they HAVEN'T accomplished !!!!!
 
You Know! We have results into a "NEW UNION" that has not a real direction. Thanks to Tim we will forge ahead into the unknown. So far we has new direction in no direction. Best of luck!
 
Election Update: FLL, PBI, MIA

Went to THE NEW DIRECTION team. Congrats to these stations for

Next week we go for the 'hat trick' by trying to pick up TPA to go in the bag with FLL, and MCO who are already in the NEW DIRECTION TEAM bag. The NEW DIRECTION TEAM's focus of picking up the 'Twin Towers of Hubs' Den and ORD, and the 'grand slam' on US AIRWAYS hubs, along with big United stations HNL, JFK, a split in SFO, and a spinkling of smaller stations.

regards,

Tim Nelson
IAM Local Chairman, 1487, Chicago

Mr. Nelson,
It seems an unfair advantage that the New Direction Team have to work their regular jobs and still try to cover the small stations at their own expense. At the same time the district group can buzz all over the system in record form on our dime; food, lodging, rental car, even Pro Bowl Games. How can the International allow for abuse of collected dues money towards their campaign? Over the term of Canale's career did he work language into the bylaws that allow for this bias? Do you have insight to this?
 
You Know! We have results into a "NEW UNION" that has not a real direction. Thanks to Tim we will forge ahead into the unknown. So far we has new direction in no direction. Best of luck!


You know what....why does Tim get all the credit.......Geez....what about the Mr. Internet........if it wasn't for him, we'd still be in the dark out

here.

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