Nov/Dec 2013 Pilot Discussion

[Piedmont1984]

Now it's my turn for a guess. My guess is that regardless of the resolutions that some have made here, their personalities will compel them to return to this venue, specifically an aviation social network, a virtual crew room, in which issues that affect us are 'discussed'. They will do so because of their unquenchable urge to express to others their profound thoughts and theorems 🙂

I understand that APA has a pilot forum and if former LCC pilots are given access to it before we reach the arbitration stage of M/B, there will be much to debate with our counterparts. The fact that their forum does not permit participants to hide behind anonymity is a significant bonus and will serve to raise the quality of the discourse. Looking forward to posting there. Let"s see if I recognize any of you by your syntax, fonts, use of links, smileys and general tone.

Beta Dog

 

[CaptChill]

 
Will a commie tractor even run without alcohol in the driver?

... and not just any alcohol... but Russian VODKA!

 

[Piedmont1984]

News flash!

The BPR has passed a resolution to recall Hummel and Bradford. Can anyone confirm? I heard it passed 9-2. The BPR also spent an hour discussing Cleary's trademark lawsuit, which was also discussed at length during the previous BPR meeting.

I have this unpleasant feeling that even with the protections available in M/B, the APA is going to eat our lunch (and I was looking forward to crew meals again 🙂.

 

[CallawayGolf]

News flash!

The BPR has passed a resolution to recall Hummel and Bradford. Can anyone confirm? I heard it passed 9-2. The BPR also spent an hour discussing Cleary's trademark lawsuit, which was also discussed at length during the previous BPR meeting.

I have this unpleasant feeling that even with the protections available in M/B, the APA is going to eat our lunch (and I was looking forward to crew meals again 🙂.

I don't know if it's true or not, but it certainly would be consistent for USAPA. The two hallmarks of USAPA are disunity and self-injury so this would certainly be par for the course.

 

[traderjake]

The BPR has passed a resolution to recall Hummel and Bradford.

 
The implosion begins, sounds like the West Reps helped light the fuse.
 
We got the MOU but we're going to get our clocks cleaned at M/B.  

 

[Claxon]

Two airlines are merging. Not three. Hard lessons coming your way scab.

That's correct Needles. Two. You are represented by your legal and binding union and they, theirs. Forget your separate class.

 

[Claxon]

I don't know if it's true or not, but it certainly would be consistent for USAPA. The two hallmarks of USAPA are disunity and self-injury so this would certainly be par for the course.

And the third would be stopping the Nicolau dead in its' tracks.
That, is unity at its' best.

 

[Claxon]

News flash!
The BPR has passed a resolution to recall Hummel and Bradford. Can anyone confirm? I heard it passed 9-2. The BPR also spent an hour discussing Cleary's trademark lawsuit, which was also discussed at length during the previous BPR meeting.
I have this unpleasant feeling that even with the protections available in M/B, the APA is going to eat our lunch (and I was looking forward to crew meals again 🙂.

Try flying to a city other than Stockholm.

 

[traderjake]

You are represented by your legal and binding union and they, theirs. Forget your separate class.

 
Another arbitration, another b*tch slap for East pilots.

 

[CallawayGolf]

And the third would be stopping the Nicolau dead in its' tracks.
That, is unity at its' best.

It truly is a win/win. LOA93 for the east, no DOH for the west, seven years of bonuses for Management, and the stockholders of the original AWH will soon have their sizable stake in the world's largest airline. Parker sure made a good move when he invested $500k in LCC stock back when it was about $2.00/share. Perhaps he sensed USAPA would never accept a higher-paying JCBA.

 

[nycbusdriver]

News flash!

The BPR has passed a resolution to recall Hummel and Bradford. Can anyone confirm? I heard it passed 9-2. The BPR also spent an hour discussing Cleary's trademark lawsuit, which was also discussed at length during the previous BPR meeting.

I have this unpleasant feeling that even with the protections available in M/B, the APA is going to eat our lunch (and I was looking forward to crew meals again 🙂.

 
I'm for a Hummel recall simply because of his abuse of his sick status vs. the USAPA policy.  I think I would be okay with Bradford at the helm again.  Since USAPA is not for profit, even if Cleary were to prevail on the trademark, the union could simply change its name for the limited time it has.  Who really cares what it is called?  How about "Coalition of Air Crew Troupers of the United States"?  It could be shortened to CACTUS!   :LOL:  :LOL:  :LOL:
 
Maybe that would make Res, Pre and SnapMove happy!

 

[Reed Richards]

 
I'm for a Hummel recall simply because of his abuse of his sick status vs. the USAPA policy.

 
[SIZE=10.5pt]Please elaborate. My guess is you are for a recall (which is fine) based on what you have been "told" is abuse. Once again, after years of pleading by many of us to bring our UOM and CBL in line with our contract, the BPR sat on their rears and did nothing. "did nothing" long enough for Parrella to do exactly the same thing, DiOrio to get paid for something he was not flying, and time for Mowrey to win a grievance earlier in the year and get paid even more on his medical. And yet they demand the guy they did not support in the election to simply walk because of appearances. If the recall is true, I actually hope they both just walk now.  I knew before it was all said and done, the BPR would find a way to weaken our position in front of APA. Monday cannot come quick enough, for a lot of reasons.  RR[/SIZE]

 

[nycbusdriver]

 
[SIZE=10.5pt]Please elaborate. My guess is you are for a recall (which is fine) based on what you have been "told" is abuse. Once again, after years of pleading by many of us to bring our UOM and CBL in line with our contract, the BPR sat on their rears and did nothing. "did nothing" long enough for Parrella to do exactly the same thing, DiOrio to get paid for something he was not flying, and time for Mowrey to win a grievance earlier in the year and get paid even more on his medical. And yet they demand the guy they did not support in the election to simply walk because of appearances. If the recall is true, I actually hope they both just walk now.  I knew before it was all said and done, the BPR would find a way to weaken our position in front of APA. Monday cannot come quick enough, for a lot of reasons.  RR[/SIZE]

 
I expect that the president of the union, like everyone else on FPL, be current per USAPA policy.  The exception, I believe, is that if one is out on medical leave, the currency requirement is waived.  Hummel had is stent placed in early May.  How much sick bank has he been docked since that time?  If he is indeed on sick leave, I have no problem with is remaining in office.  But how can you be on sick leave and not be using your sick bank?  Could you do that?
 
It's not as if he is indispensible.  That's why we elected a Vice President.

 

[Phoenix]

 
 
It's not as if he is indispensable.  

 
 
I agree.  No one in the union is indispensable.  
 
Those that agree with a recall need argue nothing other than the vote count.  
 
Those that don't have the votes on their side will argue everything else and the kitchen sink in an effort to change the vote count.  
 
Democracy in action. It is what it is.  
 
Line up and wait.   Final's clear.  Flaps, fuel, trim.  Hack the clock. 

 

[Reed Richards]

[SIZE=10.5pt]The President of our union is NOT paid according to LOA 95. He is paid as per our contract with management directly by management. Other than keeping the books on it, the union simply has no say in him being paid. There is no "sick" time in the eyes of the Company, he is either acting as President or he is not. I believe the only time he was actually using sick time was when he had his procedure (s) and turned over the union to Steve. Not even sure that happened.[/SIZE]
 
[SIZE=10.5pt]Paul DiOrio took full FPL and stipends for 4 years, but could not find the time to once to address these problems at the table or with the other slackers on the BPR. And the issues go much deeper, we have Committee chairs taking advantage of LOA 95 but the union looks the other way. All the BPR has to do is amend the UOM and say any pilot that enriches himself is not eligible to hold the position. But they never would. Why? See above, DiOrio and others. [/SIZE]
 
[SIZE=10.5pt]Instead of asking the President to quit because of a catch 22, simply amend the UOM and CBL to change the rules. If the CBL would say you had to be current and hold a medical and/or actually use sick time, we would not be having this discussion.  That would be stupid, but at least it would be a policy, instead of a witch hunt. But the smear campaign continues simply because others are "not getting their way" and the line pilots are led to believe a scam is taking place. If it is true about the recall (I have no idea) then the BPR has chosen to address the issue by simply removing the pilot caught in the situation, rather than fixing the problem.  Maybe they can eventually get down to business after APA finally takes us over. Naw, they will still be tilting at windmills and trademarks, even then.[/SIZE]
 
[SIZE=10.5pt]Again, recall is fine, part of the deal. Like Phoenix said, let the votes tell the strory.[/SIZE]
 
[SIZE=10.5pt]RR[/SIZE]