Nov/Dec 2013 Pilot Discussion

[Beancounter]

Then the Empire Pilots as well as the TWA pilots need to be represented. Especially the TWA pilots owing to their hosing giving rise to M/B

I see what you're saying, but unfortunately they already went through a process and were integrated. The key is to get through the arbitration phase and then throw out the opposing groups union if you don't like the outcome. That way you can use the fact you have a majority in the new union to re-do the seniority to your liking. This is the new way of doing things, it makes arbitration a thing of the past. Of course there's a little matter of legality, morality, and money ($Billion$), but hey we're talking seniority here!

Bean (with more sarcasm)

 

[lynyrdskynyrd]

If usapa doesn't show up, I'm thinking it would be an entirely different ball game than the last time the east vowed not to show up(JNC). I'm not exactly sure what's going on here, but being the squeaky wheel might not bring the grease this time.

I think three arbitrators are going to get this, and what they make of it will be it. I'm not overly worried about anything usapa does or does not do.

 

[Phoenix]

Cite any NMB ruling that required a subset group in a legally elected NMB sanctioned election to be broken out and separately represented? You can't, and I know it for fact. You cannot legally break the West pilots into a special class. They have been represented by USAPA for many years. McCaskill Bond pertains to the pre merge status of a group, not post merger, very post merger. The only parties legally to be governed by M/B are APA and USAPA. And this is owing to the fact they are coming from two separate carriers.
You, Leonidas, and ESPECIALLY the company are entirely wrong, and the company needs to be sued instantly, and the NMB notified post haste of an infringement, willfully by Doug Parker et al and willful sabotage of normal union collective bargaining.
Siegal especially needs to be attacked. He knows better.
USAPA should not even participate in this. To do so would endorse a complete bastardization of company interference.

There is a contract that DUI, APA, and USAPA signed. No different than how DUI had to follow the 2005 TA. It's just a little nuisance.

 

[traderjake]

There is a contract that DUI, APA, and USAPA signed. No different than how DUI had to follow the 2005 TA. It's just a little nuisance.

 
Have you thanked DUI for getting the merger past the DOJ?
 
Imagine what he could do if he stayed sober.

 

[Res Judicata]

What a moron. Will that make up for what you've lost Mr. Junior F/O?

Nope. It won't pay me the quarter million dollars you scab assh holes cost me either.

 

[traderjake]

I think three arbitrators are going to get this, and what they make of it will be it. I'm not overly worried about anything usapa does or does not do.

 
We got the MOU, although I 'm sure luvthe9 thinks if we recall Hummel we can renege on it and get a better one. 
 
 The only thing they can screw up is the SLI which in all likelihood is going to arbitration. 

 

[Phoenix]

I haven't watched as many episodes of Perry Mason as you so I'll leave that to the lawyers and judges.

You voted for the MOU. Can you show explicit provision that the MOU made for the West to have independent representation?

Or are you implicitly assuming 😛 the West has the right?

 

[luvthe9]

 
We got the MOU, although I 'm sure luvthe9 thinks we can renege on it and get a better one. 
 
 The only thing they can screw up is the SLI which in all likelihood is going to arbitration. 

Sorry, I wonder why the company is not honoring the MOU and picking only the parts it's wants to implement.

 

[Pi brat]

Nope. It won't pay me the quarter million dollars you scab assh holes cost me either.

Can you tell me what that is?

 

[Pi brat]

 
God forbid the West gets to present their case.
 
Oh the humanity.

Do you get to present your case? Do I get to present mine? Do the 3rd listers get to present theirs? As of today, what makes the west case soooo special?

 

[Pi brat]

If usapa doesn't show up, I'm thinking it would be an entirely different ball game than the last time the east vowed not to show up(JNC). I'm not exactly sure what's going on here, but being the squeaky wheel might not bring the grease this time.

I think three arbitrators are going to get this, and what they make of it will be it. I'm not overly worried about anything usapa does or does not do.

Does it concern you that AOL, a LLC, might screw it up? Why do they have any standing as of today?

 

[traderjake]

Or are you implicitly assuming 😛 the West has the right?

 
I implicitly assume that if USAPA presents 3 lists they can not fairly represent the West.

 

[traderjake]

As of today, what makes the west case soooo special?

 
USAPA claims they have their own seniority list.
 
Why are you so afraid of a neutral 3rd party hearing it? (cough NIC, cough NIC)

 

[Pi brat]

 
I implicitly assume that if USAPA presents 3 lists they can not fairly represent the West.

That's not what I asked you. You didn't vote for USAPA. I didn't vote for USAPA. Do you think that the USAPA merger committee will represent you or me the way we would? If not, why don't you and I get separate representation? Without a ruling from the court, what's the difference? Does the company know what the court will rule? Does AOL? If so, is that legal?

 

[Pi brat]

So westies. Where is Mitch Vasin and his lawyers? Why are you so scared of him? Too pragmatic?