Nov/Dec 2013 Pilot Discussion

[EastUS1]

Get used to this phrase.....Post your bond with the court.....
 

 
Sigh!...Right along with "This is sparta"? Go to your room. The adults were talking here.

 

[EastUS1]

At some point we are going to have to plant our feet and let this thing play out so we can all get on with our lives.... Just my opinion...

 
The form that takes has been/is the issue, I suppose. Purely again my opinion, but I'd figured on any US/AMR integration, to the point of generally mixed flying, was likely to take a course of approx 2 years or perhaps even more to see, so it's at least good that some increased compensation seems likely to be had much sooner. After 6+ years of all this madness...well...a bit more practiced patience, should it be needed, won't kill any of us. I'll grant that comes from one who's personally not much concerned with the timing. Having said all that; I've no better notions of how this will finally play out than does the next man.
 
"Show me anything that guarantees a safe landing... I don't think there is anything." Indeed Driver. Now...If we could magically come up with any fix for that, well...we'd have been wasting our talents during all of our earlier lives. 😉

 

[nic4us]

What's your back up plan if Silver surprises all and finds that USAPA is free to negotiate a seniority regime other than the Nic and that USAPA has a legitimate union purpose (because of the merger and through the instrument of the MOU) for doing so?

I do not think that ruling would be a big "surprise" at all.

Usapa has always beenfree to negotiate...that is not the problem. The problem has always been usapa has no one willing to negotiate their terms. The terms are always overreaching and a legal nightmare.

Backup plan is simple. Sit back, watch usapa be usapa, watch the other players tell the scab union to pound sand til the single carrier status, then watch usapa go away.





Now, in the interest of efficiency, a reply to the last 8 pages of uscaba cheerleaders stoking themselves.

Your fake union is history.....the monies collected will be distributed to all LCC pilots....the West will get status at MB regardless of how Silver rules and that means the Nic is pretty much a given in the final seniority solution between the AMR and LCC pilots.

 

[snapthis]

What's your back up plan if Silver surprises all and finds that USAPA is free to negotiate a seniority regime other than the Nic and that USAPA has a legitimate union purpose (because of the merger and through the instrument of the MOU) for doing so?

The same as your back up plan.

 

[nevergiveup]

I do not think that ruling would be a big "surprise" at all.

Usapa has always beenfree to negotiate...that is not the problem. The problem has always been usapa has no one willing to negotiate their terms. The terms are always overreaching and a legal nightmare.

Backup plan is simple. Sit back, watch usapa be usapa, watch the other players tell the scab union to pound sand til the single carrier status, then watch usapa go away.





Now, in the interest of efficiency, a reply to the last 8 pages of uscaba cheerleaders stoking themselves.

Your fake union is history.....the monies collected will be distributed to all LCC pilots....the West will get status at MB regardless of how Silver rules and that means the Nic is pretty much a given in the final seniority solution between the AMR and LCC pilots.

Ooooooooooooookay. No more for this table.

 

[nic4us]

Sigh!...Right along with "This is sparta"? Go to your room. The adults were talking here.

Okay fine....

Don't want my input? No problem

I will let you SCABs talk amongst yourselves about the twilight of you SCAB union.

Have a nice weekend.

 

[EastUS1]

Okay fine....

Don't want my input? No problem

I will let you SCABs talk amongst yourselves about the twilight of you SCAB union.

Have a nice weekend.

 
I merely said go to your room because the adults were talking. You don't have to pout...unless you want your Playstation taken away.

 

[Res Judicata]

What's your back up plan if Silver surprises all and finds that USAPA is free to negotiate a seniority regime other than the Nic and that USAPA has a legitimate union purpose (because of the merger and through the instrument of the MOU) for doing so?

USAPA has been far too stupid in the court room. I think if they were able to at least feign some form of neutrality regarding SLI, she may give them a pass. Nope DOH or nothing. She said that you'd be on dangerous ground if you didn't come up with something objectively fair...what did your scab union do? Doubled down and tried to lie to the West regarding their true intent of 10h. If I were Scabford, I wouldn't be sleeping very well these days.

 

[lynyrdskynyrd]

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I do not think that ruling would be a big "surprise" at all.
Usapa has always beenfree to negotiate...that is not the problem. The problem has always been usapa has no one willing to negotiate their terms. The terms are always overreaching and a legal nightmare.
Backup plan is simple. ...

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I think that is very plausible. I'm not pinning any hopes or expectations on what Judge Silver will do, my gut says she will disappoint a lot of people on the west. Which leads us to what you just wrote. Usapa has thus far not found anyone who wants to play with them. Will that change as the merger unfolds?

Just like Ron White having the right to remain silent, but not the ability, so does usapa have the right to negotiate, but not.....

I think the three arbitrators will ultimately get it, and figure it out.

 

[Crzipilot]

Have you looked at the other team in this screwed up football game?
 
I wouldn't care, would actually support, separate west representation in a 3 way if we agreed that we start with 3 lists as I read the MOU. But the west will argue that we start with the Nic and won't come off of it. Then we will go into arbitration as a screwed up mess. Plus, I think that would open a whole can of worms.
 
By your post you don't seem to think USAPA will do a good job. I have my doubts too. Should we get a separate seat at the table? Can I get one at the JCBA talks?

 
 
If Silver gives a third seat away, I would think that opens a whole can of worms.   I would want a seat there myself for me and my buddies.   Anyone else want a seat there to have a say?   How hard to get a class certified?    HAHA

 

[luvthe9]

I do not think that ruling would be a big "surprise" at all.
Usapa has always beenfree to negotiate...that is not the problem. The problem has always been usapa has no one willing to negotiate their terms. The terms are always overreaching and a legal nightmare.
Backup plan is simple. Sit back, watch usapa be usapa, watch the other players tell the scab union to pound sand til the single carrier status, then watch usapa go away.
Now, in the interest of efficiency, a reply to the last 8 pages of uscaba cheerleaders stoking themselves.
Your fake union is history.....the monies collected will be distributed to all LCC pilots....the West will get status at MB regardless of how Silver rules and that means the Nic is pretty much a given in the final seniority solution between the AMR and LCC pilots.

"Fake union is history?" More like Fake union MAKES history- by destroying the Nicolau. Face reality, the " fake" union beat you.

 

[autofixer]

If Silver gives a third seat away, I would think that opens a whole can of worms.   I would want a seat there myself for me and my buddies.   Anyone else want a seat there to have a say?   How hard to get a class certified?    HAHA

Yes, I want to negotiate for myself!

 

[Res Judicata]

"Fake union is history?" More like Fake union MAKES history- by destroying the Nicolau. Face reality, the " fake" union beat you.

LOL!!!! Spoken like a morbidly obese scab. You "won" a Billion dollar pay it on top of your twice bk contract just to get the Nic in the end.

 

[traderjake]

LOL!!!!  Spoken like a morbidly obese scab.

 
I think you're short changing luvthe9, you left out moron. 
 
He doesn't want the MOU payraise because it's not the Delta rate.

 

[Phoenix]

LOL!!!! Spoken like a morbidly obese scab. You "won" a Billion dollar pay it on top of your twice bk contract just to get the Nic in the end.
 

 
 
Richard Simmons changed your life, but you have no decency to encourage others to have your success too.    Keep dancing to the oldies with your idol and sing about the Nic, but beware if you don't get it you may have a relapse.
 
 
 
"After the merger closes, a negotiation and arbitration process will determine the appropriate integrated seniority list for the US Airways and American pilots."  
 
(extra credit if you can identify the document. emphasis added.)