Nov/Dec 2013 Pilot Discussion

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US AIRWAYS’ CONTROVERTING STATEMENT OF FACTS CASE NO. 2:13-CV-00471-ROS

33. The Merger Committee is committed to representing the entire US Airways
7 pilot group effectively and fairly. Pauley Trial testimony, p. 383:15-23 (Ex. “9” to
8 Szymanski Decl.); Hummel MSJ Decl. ¶¶18-19.”
9 Response: This statement is disputed by Plaintiffs. (See Plaintiffs’ FOF/COL
10 [Doc. No. 218] at ¶ 54 (“Despite the fact that USAPA plainly has a conflict of interest
11 with the West Pilots in regard to implementing the Nicolau Award, it steadfastly refuses
12 to consent to the West Pilots having an independent voice in the process of integrating
13 seniority with the American pilots.”) (citing Bradford Dep. at 93:19-94:16, 97:7-11; Crimi
14 Dep. at 100:14-19, 102:1-15); see also Plaintiffs’ MSJ SOF at ¶ 28 (“USAPA’s
15 governance is heavily weighted in favor of the East Pilot majority such that there is no
16 likelihood that USAPA will amend its date-of-hire constitution provision or implement an
17 unmodified Nicolau Award in the course of this merger with American Airlines.”) (citing
18 SF ¶¶ 50-59).)
19 Moreover, this fact (even if found to be true by the Court) is immaterial to the
20 decision on US Airways’ motion for summary judgment, because it is undisputed that,
21 whatever commitments are felt by the USAPA Merger Committee, the Committee does
22 not intend to and will not advocate for an unmodified Nicolau Award seniority list as
23 demanded by the West Pilots.

 

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US AIRWAYS’ CONTROVERTING STATEMENT OF FACTS CASE NO. 2:13-CV-00471-ROS

“29. USAPA has made numerous attempts to discuss resolution of the seniority
10 issue with the West Pilots and their representatives. In each case, the West Pilots and
11 their representatives have insisted on the unmodified Nicolau list and have refused to
12 discuss any other resolution. Hummel Dep., 108:14-110:1 (Ex. “4” to Szymanski Decl.);
13 Hummel MSJ Decl. ¶16. See also Doc 206-1, Stipulations and Undisputed Facts, ¶ 52.”
14 Response: Immaterial, except to the extent Paragraph 29 addresses the West
15 Pilots’ insistence on use of an unmodified Nicolau Award seniority list and, as to that
16 point, not contested. (See, generally, Plaintiffs’ FOF/COL ¶ 25 (citing SF ¶¶ 51-52) (“For
17 more than five years, USAPA has refused to take any steps towards implementing the
18 Nicolau Award and the West Pilots have steadfastly maintained that USAPA has no
19 legitimate union purpose to use a date-of-hire seniority list to integrate pilot operations.”).

 

[Phoenix]

A laugh a post.
 

The company refused to negotiate with the pilots, tries to get a court to unilaterally alter the negotiated MOU, and you laugh.  I think its funny too.

 

[Claxon]

Strange, in another company legal brief they claim they were nuetral.
 
Regardless, the process will take three or more years to complete just like it did at United.  The timeline will be increased due to legal reasons.
Just relax and enjoy every minute of it.
 
http://leonidas.cactuspilots.us/West_Pilot_DFR_DJ/Doc_265_Airways_response.pdf

 

[Phoenix]

LOL!!! I love it. The "West" behavior...You fking scabs started a war you pathetic cowards can't handle. The ball is being stripped from your hands and there isn't a single thing you can do to stop it. We didn't start this war but we sure as schit are going to finish it and it will be my pleasure to shove your face in this pile of schit YOU SCABS CREATED for the rest of my career.

 

[Keroseneuser]

Lol,   I am becoming convinced Res is posting from the confines of a mental ward somewhere.   That is one seriously messed up dude!
 
Right now I have a vision of him/her screaming incoherently at a water fountain with a bit of spittle drooling down his face.    Funny stuff.
 
I always say hello or wave at other pilots in the terminals,  it's quite entertaining at the west guys that will not look you in the eye or turn away.   For warrior Spartans they sure are a jumpy bunch.   Most seem like normal folks that don't let the politics of the situation eat them up inside,  but for some of them they look like they are miserable human beings 24-7.   Res for sure is in that pack. 
 
I find it funny that Snap is all fired up at the fact that his fellow pilots look like they are going to delay payment of the 40 mill.  If they do sue we are probably looking at a year at least for that money.  Does not bother me any, but from the posts of many of the west guys I get the impression that even though they have been making more than the east for the last 7 years, a lot of them have spent themselves into a hole.   I don't think they are going to have many friends on the west side if that occurs.
 
Guess the difference is we on the east once made more money than the MOU pays and had to adjust to post BK wages.   For the west it is the most money they have ever seen in a contract and they seem to be having trouble processing it and it comes out in the form of greed.     I think for most on the east the bonus 40 mill check is probably not going to do anything except get deposited into a 401k or other savings account.   I guess many of the west guys had big plans for their share. 

 

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The company refused to negotiate with the pilots, tries to get a court to unilaterally alter the MOU, and you laugh.  I think its funny too.

Let's see who gets the last laugh when a ruling comes down from the court.

I love the holidays.

"And above all this bustle
You'll hear
Silver bells, silver bells"

Let's see what you can do with that lump of coal from Judge Silver.

 

[Claxon]

Let's see who gets the last laugh when a ruling comes down from the court.

I love the holidays.

"And above all this bustle
You'll hear
Silver bells, silver bells"

Let's see what you can do with that lump of coal from Judge Silver.

Oh snap, now you are the new keeper of the countdown clock.
 
http://www.airlineforums.com/topic/55650-august-2013-pilot-discussion/page-656#entry1031870

 

[Pi brat]

Believe it Scab. HA!!!

Actually it's you and your behavior that are unbelievable. It's amazing that you have kept your job.
 
I never have been and never will be a scab.

 

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I'm laughing beause the class challenging the retro payout is growing.
 
You'll have to deal with another group besides Leonidas.
 
DC should have listened to JS.
 
Don't spend that money yet

Like I said, AOL scorched earth policy.

Bring it on, B-i-t-c-h!

 

[Phoenix]

Let's see who gets the last laugh when a ruling comes down from the court.

I love the holidays.

"And above all this bustle
You'll hear
Silver bells, silver bells"

Let's see what you can do with that lump of coal from Judge Silver.

Tell us again about the lump of coal from Judge Wake.  

 

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Lol,   I am becoming convinced Res is posting from the confines of a mental ward somewhere.   That is one seriously messed up dude!
 
Right now I have a vision of him/her screaming incoherently at a water fountain with a bit of spittle drooling down his face.    Funny stuff.
 
I always say hello or wave at other pilots in the terminals,  it's quite entertaining at the west guys that will not look you in the eye or turn away.   For warrior Spartans they sure are a jumpy bunch.   Most seem like normal folks that don't let the politics of the situation eat them up inside,  but for some of them they look like they are miserable human beings 24-7.   Res for sure is in that pack. 
 
I find it funny that Snap is all fired up at the fact that his fellow pilots look like they are going to delay payment of the 40 mill.  If they do sue we are probably looking at a year at least for that money.  Does not bother me any, but from the posts of many of the west guys I get the impression that even though they have been making more than the east for the last 7 years, a lot of them have spent themselves into a hole.   I don't think they are going to have many friends on the west side if that occurs.
 
Guess the difference is we on the east once made more money than the MOU pays and had to adjust to post BK wages.   For the west it is the most money they have ever seen in a contract and they seem to be having trouble processing it and it comes out in the form of greed.     I think for most on the east the bonus 40 mill check is probably not going to do anything except get deposited into a 401k or other savings account.   I guess many of the west guys had big plans for their share.

I've got my bonus with a 16.5% return on a bull market and one of the hottest real estate market in the country.

How's it going in the 4th Ward?

 

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Tell us again about the lump of coal from Judge Wake.  

Too bad your union will be gone if you hope for a repeat performance.

 

[nevergiveup]

LOL!!! I love it. The "West" behavior...You fking scabs started a war you pathetic cowards can't handle. The ball is being stripped from your hands and there isn't a single thing you can do to stop it. We didn't start this war but we sure as schit are going to finish it and it will be my pleasure to shove your face in this pile of schit YOU SCABS CREATED for the rest of my career.

Hate, the one acid that destroys its container!

 

[Phoenix]

Tell us again about the lump of coal from Judge Wake.  
 

 

Too bad your union will be gone if you hope for a repeat performance.

 
 
Are you counting on a Silver injunction to use the Nic?...... 🙂