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Phoenix said:
  • Are you passionate about Leonidas LLC?
  • Can you sue an LLC for failing to deliver a return for your donations (DFR like)?  
  • Did you implicitly assume your donations were guaranteed to cash your lottery ticket?
  • Do you know what benefits the leaders of Loenidas, LLC are entitled to under the terms of its incorporation?
  • How public is that info?
 
 
Did you pause to ask yourself these question before you donated on the advice of people who can legally run a for profit organization?
Funny you should ask. The answere is yes, questions were raised, and the AOL financials have been independently audited every year.

Now the better question to ask would be....where does the SCAB union spend it's money? Do they hire general counsel who makes strategy behind closed doors to invalidate the Nic, in violation of his DFR to the very same West class he owes that DFR? Oooooooops. Somebody should have told SCABmanski who he was supposed to be working for so he could have recused himself from the dealings of the SCAB BPR.

Or, maybe the SCABS go on snipe hunts looking for boogie men in their lost pension. Using union dues in violation of federal law, not so smart, but hey, if you are an about to be defunct SCAB union, what the he'll?

Or, maybe they spend the money on frivolous lawsuits. You know, trying to renege on the LOA93 grievance or such, maybe filing RICO suits against innocent West pilots, or suits against the company to force a contract the company is unwilling to negotiate with SCABS.


Yes, it would indeed be wise to ask where the SCABS spend their money.......or, even better, it would be wise to take the money from the SCABS.

Post your bond with the court!
 
snapthis said:
Exactly my point. All to do about nothing. Kinda like the unproven and false ID theft accusations.
 
The emails are evidence.   Undisputed evidence.  Published as part of the court record.  
 
The point is we all now know that leaders of Leonidas, LLC knew that the terms of the MOU negated the 2005 TA upon which the Nicolau rests, they knew that a PHX vote to ratify the MOU would jeopardize the West Class DFR lawsuit, and they apparently hid this information from you all, or at least went against their own advice and recommended you vote for the MOU anyway!
 
Leonidas LLC was privately against the MOU before they were publicly for the MOU... before they stood up in court before Judge Silver to whine that it isn't fair.   
  • "It is clearly an attempt by USAPA to negate the transition agreement"...  "Marty seemed to be dismissive of this idea last night, but I think he's dead wrong......Leonidas should not endorse the MOU." 
  • We recommend that West pilots vote yes if the want to see a merger with American according to the terms of the MOU. Sincerely, Leonidas, LLC
 
​If I made donations to an organization that hid that information, and then could do nothing more than say "If YOU want a merger according to the terms of the MOU, then vote yes..."
 
Really?  Is that the best Leonidas could do after all those donations?   :lol:
 
nic4us said:
Funny you should ask. The answere is yes, questions were raised, and the AOL financials have been independently audited every year.

Now the better question to ask would be....where does the SCAB union spend it's money? Do they hire general counsel who makes strategy behind closed doors to invalidate the Nic, in violation of his DFR to the very same West class he owes that DFR? Oooooooops. Somebody should have told SCABmanski who he was supposed to be working for so he could have recused himself from the dealings of the SCAB BPR.

Or, maybe the SCABS go on snipe hunts looking for boogie men in their lost pension. Using union dues in violation of federal law, not so smart, but hey, if you are an about to be defunct SCAB union, what the he'll?

Or, maybe they spend the money on frivolous lawsuits. You know, trying to renege on the LOA93 grievance or such, maybe filing RICO suits against innocent West pilots, or suits against the company to force a contract the company is unwilling to negotiate with SCABS.


Yes, it would indeed be wise to ask where the SCABS spend their money.......or, even better, it would be wise to take the money from the SCABS.

Post your bond with the court!
 
 
I'll help you out.  Upon the effective date of the MOU, the "scabs" you hold so dear will spend a portion of your money seeking a fair and equitable SLI with APA, without regard to the 2005 TA, as a majority of the membership requested... 🙂 and some of your Leonidas, LLC leaders knew this. :huh:
 
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What is taking so long?  It the court using the ObamaCare website and his programmers to conduct their operations? :lol:
 
On the bright side, this is going to be the smoothest operational integration ever, because of all the extra time DUI has to plan it out before it starts.
 
snapthis said:
I still would like someone, anyone to come forward who was harmed by a Leonidas mailing.
 
You were, as were any that wasted their time and money on those.
 
nic4us said:
....SCAB union s .... SCABmanski ..... of the SCAB BPR.

Or, maybe the SCABS ..... SCAB union, ....

.... with SCABS.

...where the SCABS...... from the SCABS.
 
You play the part of a 5 year old who's recently heard an expletive, and feels some perverse need to use it in the presence of adults for attempted shock value and attention, without having even the slightest notion of it's meaning. Grow Up!
 
Freighterguynow said:
 
Yup, APA and the West - soon to be best buds.
 
Indeed, and who could possibly even begin to doubt that?....Especially if the APA folks at all follow the internet chat. Heck, I know I'd certainly want to warmly welcome wannabe scabs, as well as a handful of previously proven ones, wouldn't everyone?
 
Claxon, on 20 Nov 2013 - 9:21 PM, said: "You would have scabbed."
Res Judicata: "Against you POS? Count on it, scab."
 
Add to that the infantile narcicissm required for presuming themselves "worthy" of, and "entitled" to even 17 years more "seniority" than they've ever-in-their-lives actually earned.....And that's not even mentioning the "quality" of such lawyer-loving, village idiots that'd even seek litigation to sabotage payments of signing bonuses to even their own group. Seriously: Who wouldn't be eagerly anticipating all the "benefits" to be had by adopting such sorry sorts? 😉
 
In fairness...I did overlook the clinical and entertainment value of their videos....
 
end_of_alpa said:
Maybe. But if the POR changed from mid Dec to March, I think at least one other news org would have picked up the stunning story, especially since the judge made it clear a while back she was NOT delaying the trial due to timeliness issues.  As to "no money this year" please tell me it is not true. My wife already spent it all before last August, and is having yet another go at it now!  RR
 
Not all the West Class would have actually scabbed, but the damage was already done by so many just saying they would. There was never, ever a chance of a successful NMB sanctioned East work action over the last 7 years, and no chance of a contract with the Nic festering. Too many on the East believed 1700 would indeed do as those that came before them. They throw around the scab word like candy, it has no real meaning to them; not even caring that the birth of their very airline was based on true scabs. And the younger ones there, some two generations removed from the event, still throw around the word scab like a playground retort. Proof of that each and every day, right here. RR
 
Reed Richards said:
My wife already spent it all before last August, and is having yet another go at it now!  RR
 
 RR. I'll defend your good Lady there, (as if you were at all assailing, or she needed any "defense") since, as I'm sure you fully know as well;  it's been my life's experience that it's simply the proper job of spouses, or even "significant others", to do exactly that sir. 🙂
 
Reed Richards said:
Maybe. But if the POR changed from mid Dec to March, I think at least one other news org would have picked up the stunning story, especially since the judge made it clear a while back she was NOT delaying the trial due to timeliness issues.  As to "no money this year" please tell me it is not true. My wife already spent it all before last August, and is having yet another go at it now!  RR
You all may want to read this: http://www.zdnet.com/news/tunney-act-a-call-to-action/298122

Tunney Act: A call to action
Summary: Thanks to the U.S. v. Microsoft case, an obscure Nixon-era antitrust law is finally enjoying its 15 minutes of fame.

Thanks to the U.S. v. Microsoft case, an obscure Nixon-era antitrust law is finally enjoying its 15 minutes of fame.

The 1974 Tunney Act was designed to ensure that government antitrust settlements are in the public interest and that no backroom political deal-making compromises the process. Signed into law the same year that the United States launched its antitrust suit against AT&T, the statute has rarely been the stuff of headline news. Indeed, few antitrust cases capture widespread attention--or garner significant public comment.

But U.S. v. Microsoft is not your ordinary antitrust case.

One of the Tunney Act's requirements is that the government solicit public comment before finalizing any antitrust settlement. Last November, the United States and Microsoft tentatively agreed to a proposed final judgment. The Tunney Act mandates that the public may submit comments for at least 60 days after the proposed final judgment is published in the Federal Register.

In this particular antitrust case, the public commented--with a vengeance. By the end of the sixty day period, January 28, the Justice Department had received 30,000 comments. Roughly half of the comments were against the settlement, while 7,500 favored the deal. Another 7,000 comments were dismissed as form letters, spam, or other unsupported opinion--sentiments like "I just hate Microsoft."

There's little doubt that the volume of response was encouraged by partisan efforts on both sides: Microsoft's Freedom to Innovate Network site offered to help people file their comments, while California software engineer Dan Kegel and Code Weavers CEO Jeremy White's respective Web efforts boosted the number of submitted objections.

The Tunney Act also requires that the government and the antitrust defendant disclose all communications related to the settlement process. The American Antitrust Institute, a non-profit antitrust group, believes this clause was violated by Microsoft and DOJ representatives, either by deliberately avoiding disclosure of information or by providing misleading information. The Institute filed a lawsuit in January alleging that the Justice Department and Microsoft failed to properly disclosing contacts that resulted in the proposed settlement.

Now that the comment period has ended, it remains to be seen what, if anything, U.S. District Court Judge Colleen Kollar-Kotelly will do with the deluge of opinions. A possible clue to Kollar-Kotelly's intentions came last month when the judge asked Microsoft and the Justice Department if they were planning any changes to the settlement proposal in response to public comments. The Justice Department and Microsoft said they would notify the court of any changes on or before February 27. The Tunney Act hearings are scheduled for March 4.

Jonathan Jacobson, an antitrust attorney with Akin, Gump, Strauss, Hauer & Feld in New York, called the judge's query "highly unusual." "I am not aware of a court ever asking settling parties in a Tunney Act proceeding expressly whether they intend to change a settlement as the result of comments received," Jacobson said. "It's an unusual question that may (be a) sign she has some skepticism about the settlement and possibly sees some substance to the objections."

According to Jane Winn, the co-author of a leading treatise on electronic commerce law (Law of Electronic Commerce) and professor of law at Southern Methodist University, "Before [Kollar-Kotelly] can approve any settlement, she'll] have to determine if it's in the best interests of the People [of the United States of America]." In addition to the hearing in which the judge will be receiving comments from the public, Winn says, "The fact that so many states oppose--just as many as those that agreed to settle--will make it extremely difficult for any judge to conclude that the agreement is really in the best interests of the People."

Clearly, the judge is taking public comments under consideration.

What do you think about the proposed settlement? Did you send your comment to the Justice Department? Share your opinions with your fellow readers at ZDNet TechUpdate's Talkback. Or write us at techupdates@cnet.com.
 
Reed Richards said:
Not all the West Class would have actually scabbed, but the damage was already done by so many just saying they would. There was never, ever a chance of a successful NMB sanctioned East work action over the last 7 years, and no chance of a contract with the Nic festering. Too many on the East believed 1700 would indeed do as those that came before them. They throw around the scab word like candy, it has no real meaning to them; not even caring that the birth of their very airline was based on true scabs. And the younger ones there, some two generations removed from the event, still throw around the word scab like a playground retort. Proof of that each and every day, right here. RR
 
"Not all the West Class would have actually scabbed, but the damage was already done by so many just saying they would." Well put, and pretty much the case. Any entire "village" full of "useful idiots" can never do other than give great comfort to management anywhere. I simply can't even imagine the APA not holding a full-scale Carnivale and celebratory welcoming for the little "army" of "spartans" they're now, through no fault of their own, being stuck with.
 
Reed Richards said:
No argument either way, just asking. I am done worrying about "if." And "when" now causes me very little concern after all we have been through. Whatever. RR
 
 
If the POR indeed is delayed at least until March 10th, do the guys retiring from December to March get a swift kick in the arse... and get no back pay, or no profit sharing, or no signing bonus, if they retire before the POR?  :blink:
 
I know, I know... whatever.  But damn.   :huh:
 
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