Nov/Dec 2013 Pilot Discussion

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

The West are the bad guys because they won't give us a do over?
 
Give me a break.
 
USAPA tried to steal their jobs and lost.

Could you pleez tell me how many landing slots at DCA, LGA were the WESTS prior to the merger DUI DOUG is negotiating with the DOJ right now to make this transaction happen? They involve EAST Capts or WEST right, attrition, ? Make my case EVIL EAST! And do not forget INTERNATIONAL ROUTE AUTHORITY! How much of that is being negotiated or accounted for?

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

The West are the bad guys because they won't give us a do over?
 
Give me a break.
 
USAPA tried to steal their jobs and lost.

I have a lot of words to fit you, NONE OF THEM, can be posted , sorry!

 

[traderjake]

DAN, pleez answer my question, the slots ur company brought to this merger are now a negotiating tool to DOUG, THE LOSS OF capt slots would be another, (BESIDES ATRITTION)a windfall for the NIC award (ALPA'S GONE THEIR POLICY GONE ) So now the EAST pilots pay again, We know your goals don't extend beyond your current position , so be it, but for you to disregard the rights of the pilots you have shared so many years with is "TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE"!

 
I agree we should have gotten credit for our attrition. 
 
Did we ask for it?
 
Even after Nicolau told us we weren't going to get what we were asking for?
 
Our position was LOS or nothing.
 
We got less than we could have because of our stupid strategy before and during arbitration.

 

[traderjake]

I have a lot of words to fit you, NONE OF THEM, can be posted , sorry!

 
The feeling's mutual. 🙄

 

[Phoenix]

DAN, pleez answer my question, the slots ur company brought to this merger are now a negotiating tool to DOUG, THE LOSS OF capt slots would be another, (BESIDES ATRITTION)a windfall for the NIC award (ALPA'S GONE THEIR POLICY GONE ) So now the EAST pilots pay again, We know your goals don't extend beyond your current position , so be it, but for you to disregard the rights of the pilots you have shared so many years with is "TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE"!

He never plans to upgrade and he already has an FO block wherever he wants.  Attrition means absolutely nothing; The only way he can get a pay raise is through an hourly increase.  Hoping for a pay raise at your expense is too unseemly ergo his transfer of anger toward the mean, unethical "job stealers". 😛  

 

[traderjake]

Could you pleez tell me how many landing slots at DCA, LGA were the WESTS prior to the merger DUI DOUG is negotiating with the DOJ right now to make this transaction happen? They involve EAST Capts or WEST right, attrition, ? Make my case EVIL EAST! And do not forget INTERNATIONAL ROUTE AUTHORITY! How much of that is being negotiated or accounted for?

 
You're argument is BANKRUPT.

 

[traderjake]

He never plans to upgrade and he already has an FO block wherever he wants.

 
I sure not going to go from working 8 days a month to Reserve for $125. 

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

I agree we should have gotten credit for our attrition. 
 
Did we ask for it?
 
Even after Nicolau told us we weren't going to get what we were asking for?
 
Our position was LOS or nothing.
 
We got less than we could have because of our stupid strategy before and during arbitration.

I agree we should have gotten credit for our attrition. 
 
Did we ask for it?
 
Even after Nicolau told us we weren't going to get what we were asking for?
 
Our position was LOS or nothing.
 
We got less than we could have because of our stupid strategy before and during arbitration.

No DAN! We got what we got because the rules were set by a national organization(ALPA MERGER POLICY) how many times has that policy changed? WHY? Because a governing body set the terms, not a federal authority! USAPA has their policy APA has theirs ALPA has theirs , Then walks in the GOVT, when there is 2 separate unions! The GOVT is FEDERAL, imagine that, thank you MB, TWA, We have no JCBA, therefore no LIST, I believe sec 4 of the MOU is the hitter, This is a do over, only guess what, 2 unions, 308, 310 nail them, I am sure DEC9 will be equally exciting!

 

[Phoenix]

 
I agree we should have gotten credit for our attrition. 
 
Did we ask for it?
 
Even after Nicolau told us we weren't going to get what we were asking for?
 
Our position was LOS or nothing.
 
We got less than we could have because of our stupid strategy before and during arbitration.

Sure, you can claim our stupidity is a rationale for why we deserve to be suffering.  The same can be said for the minority at Wye River.    
 
And the same can be said for countless divorced couples.... a negotiated compromise is always better than any other solution.  Anything else is just stupid, miserable, and poor (unless you still have your attrition).  😀

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

You're argument is BANKRUPT.

OK so now AMR pilots should get a NIC type seniority list because their BANCRUPT?

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

I sure not going to go from working 8 days a month to Reserve for $125.

You know thanx 8 days a month is all we can stand!

 

[traderjake]

Sure, you can claim our stupidity is a rationale for why we deserve to be suffering.  
 
 

 
So you admit what we did was stupid, we're starting to make progress.

 

[traderjake]

OK so now AMR pilots should get a NIC type seniority list because their BANCRUPT?

 
That's exactly what they want, slotting by equipment and status. 
 
Ask them, I did.

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

So you admit what we did was stupid, we're starting to make progress.

DAN that slot info, attrition cmon man, we did not do anything stupid, the rules set by ALPA not the NAT'L GOVT!

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

That's exactly what they want, slotting by equipment and status. 
 
Ask them, I did.

THEM? who is them? So now your my JCBA REP, WOW your authority is just like Junebugs, amazing! So you know better than the EAST pilots? ARROGANT ! Well I asked the 100 I know and they said DOH with CONDITIONS AND RESTRICTIONS were great!