Nov/Dec 2013 Pilot Discussion

[EastUS1]

I was cleaning out some old financial records today and found my records for the EAL strike assessment. They were over $400 a month and even though it did not work out well I still don't regret paying the money.

All the best,

Bob

 
Were you EAL as well Bob, or was there, if memory serves, a more national assessment at that time...before alpa stopped even pretending to be a Union?...So long ago that I've completely lost track of such. I was briefly of The Great Silver Fleet myself, but bailed after Lorenzo showed up and started seriously "marking" his territory.

 

[EastUS1]

The witch is dead, the witch is dead...!!,

Usair is gone...woooooo hoooooo, yea baby...l.

The witch is gone....

 Works for me as well.  Let's at least now hope for better things all around. Hey!....At least we can soon employ a call sign that isn't a literally disgusting obscenity in France, just for starters.

 

[Beancounter]

My big question is;  When does this discussion board merge with the American one?  🙂
 
Bean

 

[traderjake]

Do you know that for sure, or just saying it? I have no idea what the APA thinks.

 
That's what a member of the APA Scope Committee told me about two months ago.
 
He said they are looking for slotting by equipment and status with fences to protect some of their WB flying and no NB or base fences. 

 

[traderjake]

Actually, they do when they see a younger age pilot that will be a permanent block to advancement.

 
Actually they don't and projecting your preferences on them doesn't change that fact.

 

[traderjake]

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Like there's been a point to anything you guys have said or done in the last 5 years.

 

[767one]

Were you EAL as well Bob, or was there, if memory serves, a more national assessment at that time...before alpa stopped even pretending to be a Union?...So long ago that I've completely lost track of such. I was briefly of The Great Silver Fleet myself, but bailed after Lorenzo showed up and started seriously "marking" his territory.

I was Allegheny. Started in 73 and was the last of 35 pilots hired that year. In fact from 69 to 78 only 35 pilots were hired and I ended up being the last on the list from April 73 to Jan of 78.

In a previous post I referred to general aviation as the school of hard knocks because sometimes I would fly charters and or flight instuct all day and then fly airmail at night. We all went through the school of hard knocks because if you were military you took the chance of being shot at and if you were corporate that could either be a great job or a lousy job depending on the employer.

As for the EAL assessment.....that went on for over six months I think and some months were about $450. I walked the line with the Eastern pilots wherever possible and although they were resolute they just could not fight an apathetic public, Fast Frankie, and the government which is not sympathetic to unions whether under a republican or democratic lead government.

On another note...yesterday the weather guesser said 1 to 2 inches of snow but after 4 hrs. we had 8 inches of snow. I put the commie tractor to work and cleared 1200 ft of driveway in about an hr. Now I cross my fingers and hope that we don't lose power. I did make sure both generators were working before the storm so even if we lose power it should be a non event.

All the best,

Bob

 

[traderjake]

I was Allegheny. Started in 73 and was the last of 35 pilots hired that year. In fact from 69 to 78 only 35 pilots were hired and I ended up being the last on the list from April 73 to Jan of 78.

 
How much did your seniority increase in those 4 plus years? 

 

[Res Judicata]

Conventional wisdom. When the presence of the west is scarce, an unfavorable ruling is imminent.
 
Regardless, if a ruling is unfavorable to the East, if there is not an appeal filed, hummel is recalled. 
The appeal will then be filed asap.

Then the APA takes over and USAPA is nothing but a bad memory. AOL dissolves the LLC and then who does a disgruntled group of brain damaged east scabs sue? MB is not going to apply retroactively to AWA/Us air merger. The arbitrators have no jurisdiction or authority to rework the nic award. I think this is finally coming to an end and the official neutering of USAPA is the first step. That happened at midnight. Congrats to the West guys. We held the scabs head under water from day 1. The name "us airways" can't be hosed off fast enough. What an incredible embarrassment they were.

 

[Claxon]

Then the APA takes over and USAPA is nothing but a bad memory. AOL dissolves the LLC and then who does a disgruntled group of brain damaged east scabs sue? MB is not going to apply retroactively to AWA/Us air merger. The arbitrators have no jurisdiction or authority to rework the nic award. I think this is finally coming to an end and the official neutering of USAPA is the first step. That happened at midnight. Congrats to the West guys. We held the scabs head under water from day 1. The name "us airways" can't be hosed off fast enough. What an incredible embarrassment they were.

Dec 9. You never reached a contract with the east. Your Wye River warning came true. Your rushed and desperate DFR2 met the fate of DFR1.
You spent millions for nothing. You and the east pilots are paid the same. You are locked off the 330.
You can no longer carry on with your lower paid rant. Face it Res. You lost.
Enjoy your disgusting crew meals.
Doug Parker has his new friends. They are called Real American pilots. Not Cactus Pilots.

 

[Pi brat]

So you're saying in the arbitration you pushed for LOS? Would you like me to pull the tapes?

Bean

Yes, that is what the east proposed.

 

[Pi brat]

 
That's what a member of the APA Scope Committee told me about two months ago.
 
He said they are looking for slotting by equipment and status with fences to protect some of their WB flying and no NB or base fences. 

That didn't answer the question. You said they didn't care about the ordering of our list, that is referring to the list going forward. If we use the Nic to start the AA pilots will have, in general, younger pilots in the slots that go senior to them.

 

[Piedmont1984]

Another argument to tilt toward longevity and away from DOH is the growing number of third listers who would be hammered by a straight DOH regime. That's because AA did not hire from 9-11 until recently. They had considerable numbers on furlough. No reason why the merger committee can't be creative. More DOH centric above the third list cutoff and more longevity centric below.

One size fits all doesn't have to be the case.

'84

 

[Phoenix]

 
How much did your seniority increase in those 4 plus years? 

 
 
Are you jealous of the guy that was number 1 for his last 5 years..... or are you just jealous of his tractor?    

 

[nevergiveup]

Another argument to tilt toward longevity and away from DOH is the growing number of third listers who would be hammered by a straight DOH regime. That's because AA did not hire from 9-11 until recently. They had considerable numbers on furlough. No reason why the merger committee can't be creative. More DOH centric above the third list cutoff and more longevity centric below.

One size fits all doesn't have to be the case.

'84

The purpose of LOS as opposed to DOH is to screw the guy or gal that had to give it all up to save his buddy's job. Brilliant!