Nov/Dec 2013 Pilot Discussion

[end_of_alpa]

Does anyone have an intelligent response to the letter I posted (#2541)? I thought the author made some good points.

Wrong forum for intelligent discussion.

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

Well, stupid me for trying to make another attempt at civility, or at least humor, with the likes of you. Lowlives like yourself (and a few others) just cannot resist throwing low blows when you hide behind the curtain of anonymity. The only thing I know about you is you can't write worth a spit and your thought process is no doubt similar. I get to reference my family members, not you a$$wipe.

And while it's narcissist, not nacassist (I am not an assistant to the NAC), the number of times you have posted here indicates you are a bigger one than myself.

You first mentioned CG in a post totally unrelated to the discussion. Typical of your bizarre stream of consciousness posting style. Almost impossible to follow. You should have improved by now.

CG is often in my thoughts.

'84

Surprised there is enough room  in that pea brain of yours to think of someone besides yourself, and as for bizarre streaming thought, an a$$ wipe as yourself is not capable of any kind!

 

[nevergiveup]

He's probably less than 40 years old. Watch his seniority crush yours, scab. You had ample warning....but you Eastholes are fking idiots. No accounting for that.

USAPA killed 1/3 rd of your career earnings. For what?

NOTHING.

Well done, Assshole.

More whine for table 7!

 

[nycbusdriver]

 
That's what a member of the APA Scope Committee told me about two months ago.
 
He said they are looking for slotting by equipment and status with fences to protect some of their WB flying and no NB or base fences. 

That scenario could very well prevail, and I think a negotiated list will resemble that.  It appears that USAPA has given the Merger Committee some latitude on strict DOH.
 
But that scenario is a HUGE difference for everyone (east, west, APA) compared to letting the Nicolau list prevail as the USAPA position in negotiations.  The snapshot Nicolau looked at was from May, 2005, after which he proceeded to show is vindictiveness and lack of understanding.  
Any snapshot in the M-B process will be  from 2013 (either February 8, or December 9, would be my guess.)  A slotted list using that basis would look nothing at all like a list with the Nicolau incorporated into it.  
 
Whatever the result, it will NOT allow a 17 year pilot, with uninterrupted service, go junior to a new hire.  I think the APA understands the ignorance of that scenario, where Nicolau did not.

 

[nycbusdriver]

Then the APA takes over and USAPA is nothing but a bad memory. AOL dissolves the LLC and then who does a disgruntled group of brain damaged east scabs sue? MB is not going to apply retroactively to AWA/Us air merger. The arbitrators have no jurisdiction or authority to rework the nic award. I think this is finally coming to an end and the official neutering of USAPA is the first step. That happened at midnight. Congrats to the West guys. We held the scabs head under water from day 1. The name "us airways" can't be hosed off fast enough. What an incredible embarrassment they were.

 
Your entire post is delusional.  I suppose "delusional" can show up on a lie detector in some form.
 
Actually, there is one line in your post which is not delisional, adn with which I agree:  "The name "us airways" can't be hosed off fast enough. "

 

[nycbusdriver]

330 crews are now interchangeable....

I wonder if the 76 can/will be crewed by a West 75 crew?

Are there any current west 73 crews? 190?

 
 
The west 757 crews are not 767 qualified.  The FAA requires that their ground school incorporate differences training, they be tested on those differences, and have two 767 landings with a check airman.  Their license may say 767 on it, but as far as the FAA is concerned, they can't operate the airplane in an FAR 121 operation until their initial training on the 767 is completed.

 

[nycbusdriver]

Since there are no west 767 routes I would think the company would have to be in a serious pinch to put a 767 on a 757 run.   However Hawaii might be a candidate for such a thing.

 
The west pilots have not met the training requirements to fly the 767 for FAR 121 operations.  It certainly would not be wise or safe for them to fly it without having completed the Systems Validation portion of the training.  The aircraft systems are significantly different, which would come into play for abnormal occurrences.  If everything goes correctly, there is no reason a 757 pilot could not fly a 767 because of operational similarity engineered into them by a Boeing Committee.  (Design by committee is not pilot friendly.)  But a safe operation never assumes anything will always go correctly.
 
The company has used a 767 to sub for a 757 before, though rare.  I flew a PHL-LAS leg on the 767 several years back.  With all the commotion from the LAS employees, I think none of them had seen our 767 before.

 

[nycbusdriver]

Yep, nobody gets enough landings in the -67 to qualify as 'expert'. Personally, I would use the braille method or the 'captain's gasp' method.
Cheers.

 
Loved the 767 (flies like a sports car.)  Overall hated the 757 (flies like a Mack truck.)  However, if I had to choose which airplane of any in the fleet I would want to be flying when an engine quit at V1, it would hands-down be the 757...just so much excess power!
 
But I found that both of those Boeings provided me with the most consistent "good" landings, unlike the Airbus which is a true crapshoot.

 

[nycbusdriver]

Fellow Pilots

(VOTE NO TO RECALL, VOTE NO TO NIC)

by voting for the recall you open the door to let the NIC in

 

 
That's delusional.

 

[nycbusdriver]

"You and traders dad stapled the Empire pilots to the bottom of your Piedmont seniority list alpa shill.  You have to be proud of that right?"
 
Shill, do you think it was fair what happened to the Empire pilots?  If not, what did you do about it sir.  I was not an Empire pilot but but you are a I got mine alpa shill.

 
Actually, we Piedmont line pilots really could do nothing about it.  The MEC didn't even ask our opinion.  The law at the time gave the Piedmont MEC absolute authority to combine the lists, since they were the only CBA in the game.  There was no hint that MacGregor, the MEC Chair, would decide to do that until it was announced.  I think a lot of us were stunned, and I think it was unfair in some respects.  
 
However, the bright side to the Empire pilots was that they immediately got a huge pay raise, a premium benefits package that Empire never would have provided them, and much improved work rules.  I agree that's little consolation for being stapled.

 

[Piedmont1984]

That's delusional.

I disagree. Ferguson would benefit the most by a successfully recall. Third listers who now number around 500 and have no dog in the seniority fight between east and west could very well vote for him. In order to remove Hummel and Bradford, the gang of six have struck a deal with PHX. Ferguson has made no secret of his agenda should he be USAPA president.

Speaking of ALPA shills, the six BPR reps from CLT and PHL (most of whom actually held ALPA positions in the past) want to see the return of the roll call vote. This was an ALPA feature which was abused and rightfully discarded by USAPA. Now they want to return to the ALPA way of doing business.

'84

 

[Piedmont1984]

Speaking of widebody aircraft going forward, section 8e of the MOU stipulates that 291 captain and 475 F/O positions will be pay protected until the earlier of 18 months after single operating certificate or implementation of a new JCBA/seniority list. So if the 76s start to go away next year, they will have to pay us or find replacement hulls.

 

[Piedmont1984]

Actually, we Piedmont line pilots really could do nothing about it.  The MEC didn't even ask our opinion.  The law at the time gave the Piedmont MEC absolute authority to combine the lists, since they were the only CBA in the game.  There was no hint that MacGregor, the MEC Chair, would decide to do that until it was announced.  I think a lot of us were stunned, and I think it was unfair in some respects.  
 
However, the bright side to the Empire pilots was that they immediately got a huge pay raise, a premium benefits package that Empire never would have provided them, and much improved work rules.  I agree that's little consolation for being stapled.

I spent a year in SYR one winter back in 87/88 🙂 and like you said, had little knowledge of the behind the scenes activity involving the MEC. Thought Angelo was a good boss. Got along with every former Empire pilot I encountered. They were a relatively small number of pilots so the merger was not a big issue at the time. Why is someone still hung up on a merger nearly three decades old - and blaming me for how it went? I'll tell you why. The three stooges who flame bait here have a strong taste for red herring.

'84

 

[Res Judicata]

. Why is someone still hung up on a merger nearly three decades old - and blaming me for how it went?.

Because the hardcore usapian can only live in the past. Haven't you met these people? They have a rear view mirror surgically mounted to their skulls. That's why your fake union hasn't advanced forward a single millimeter since 2008...just like you were told was going to happen.

Just wait. The fun is just beginning.

 

[Piedmont1984]

Because the hardcore usapian can only live in the past. Haven't you met these people? They have a rear view mirror surgically mounted to their skulls. That's why your fake union hasn't advanced forward a single millimeter since 2008...just like you were told was going to happen.
Just wait. The fun is just beginning.

I would say that as of yesterday, we've advanced quite a bit. The extra money you will get this month is thanks to USAPA. Since it's a fake union to you, you must have been paying fake dues all these years. Hope you invested your real money wisely 🙂 There are some really good people working for USAPA. Some of them are even PHX pilots.