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The fact that there are only 4 things that are 'admirable' about McCain out of his career is pretty pathetic but he is a politician so that is too be expected. McCain as changed his mind about various issues just as often as other politicians so why Mr. Cohen thinks other wise is beyond me.
McCain called Fallwell an agent of intolerance but later cozied up to him and Roberts for campain support.
He used to be against the tax cuts for the rich that Bush advocated but has since changed his mind.
He advocates campaign finance reform but now does not support legislation that has his name on it.
He used to be stead fast against torture but now feels it's OK.
He used to be against the idea of campaigning at Bob Jones University but when he realized he needed to shore up his right wing lunatic support off to BJU he went.
In 1999 while campaigning he was pro-life but would not support a repeal of Roe v Wade, now he does (gotta suck up to the right wingers).
Yea, he sticks to his guns ...
The fact that Obama has gone against the current on the war and has been steadfast against it in my opinion speaks very well of him. Certainly better than the alternative.
McCain called Fallwell an agent of intolerance but later cozied up to him and Roberts for campain support.
He used to be against the tax cuts for the rich that Bush advocated but has since changed his mind.
He advocates campaign finance reform but now does not support legislation that has his name on it.
He used to be stead fast against torture but now feels it's OK.
He used to be against the idea of campaigning at Bob Jones University but when he realized he needed to shore up his right wing lunatic support off to BJU he went.
In 1999 while campaigning he was pro-life but would not support a repeal of Roe v Wade, now he does (gotta suck up to the right wingers).
Yea, he sticks to his guns ...
The fact that Obama has gone against the current on the war and has been steadfast against it in my opinion speaks very well of him. Certainly better than the alternative.
Obama is a terrific orator, but he doesn't say anything. He doesn't tell America anything because he has NO EXPERIENCE. His people have been marketing him like Michael Jackson rock concert. Also, you can never trust a person who constantly has his hands in his pickets, except when he is holding his microphone. He very seldom took a voting position, except to vote "present". What does that tell you? That is someone who deliberately kept you from know who he really is. He "flip flops" on the issues, because he lack experience. He is exceptionally arrogant in thinking he was ready to run for POTUS. Does he have finance and wall street experience? Do you trust him with your 401K? Do you trust him with your children's and your grandchildren's future. Can he a Commander-in-Chief of the military without military or national guard experience? Obama's a greenhorn, a tender foot and a Progressive (socialist). I don't know what kool aid the under 30 crowd has been drinking, but drugs may have played a part as to why he is running.
Obama is nothing more than a "Cult" leader and should be looking to build a Crystal Cathedral instead of a run for the White House. His numbers do not tally well among women and senior citizens. So there you have it. My guess is McCain wins in November. When I close my eyes and put each candidates face in front of me, I feel much more comfortable with McCain, than Obama. Forget the two Parties, they are pretty much the same. Look at the Man!
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You really should do a bit more research. I addressed the 'present' issue alredy in a seperate thread. Suffice to say it has nothing to do with Congress. It has to do with his voting in the IL senate and out of his 4,000 plus votes he voted present only about 130 +/- times (you do the math) and this wa a common practice for all senators in the IL senate (you look it up).
Gee a politician who doe not say any thing? Say it ain't so. What has McCain said? What specifics has he laid out? Regan was CIC with military experience. W was AWOL in the NG so not sure what experience he has. Cheney (2nd in line for CIC) got 5 deferments. Please spare me the experience BS. People only trot that load of crap out when their candidate has it and the other does not. Were that the deciding factor you wold have voted for Kerry who served 1 tour and got sent home on his second due to injuries. He actually saw combat and was not home defending Indiana from the impending VC invasion.
If Obama flip flops because of his 'inexperience', apparently experience is of little benefit to McCain because he has changed his mind on so many issues it makes me dizzy (see the above list for a sample)
Finance and wall street experience? What president did? You think W does? Is that why the economy is in the tank? McCain admitted he had very little understanding of economics. That's why he is playing the war card because that is all he has.
Do you actually read any of the stuff you post or do you just throw it at the wall and hope it sticks?
USAir757
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You might have addressed the issue, but it doesn't change the fact that BO has been positioning himself for a presidential run for some time. It isn't unlike a whole lot of other aspiring politicians out there (by a long shot), but you can't deny that there is footwork involved with the mere aspiration of running for the highest seat in the land.
That being said, you should probably work on your defense strategy to the "lack of experience" claim so many anti-Obomican's have. In truth, you can't deny his lack of experience. He'll be one of the youngest presidents ever elected should he be able to pull it off. Comparing him to the likes of Reagan, Cheney, McCain (regardless of whether you like them) is going to be a losing argument for you each time - they have experience, he does not. It's better if you concentrate more on the convictions he HAS held to, and not crystalize the differences by putting them on a scale next to each other. Conentrate more on his strengths than others' weaknesses. After all, it's been shown that terrific orators can make great presidents.
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I am not here to defend Mr Obama's past. All I was addressing was the fact that the previus poster seems to believe that military experience is important.
Tug McGroin
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Obama react to Georgia fighting
“Obama thinks the U.N. Security Council should pass a resolution calling for an immediate end to the violence.â€
http://www.tampabays10.com/news/national/s...27&catid=81
Memo to the Obama campaign: Russia has veto power in the United Nations Security Council.
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“Obama thinks the U.N. Security Council should pass a resolution calling for an immediate end to the violence.â€
http://www.tampabays10.com/news/national/s...27&catid=81
Memo to the Obama campaign: Russia has veto power in the United Nations Security Council.
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KCFlyer
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And McSame hasn't "flip flopped"? Good heavens, he voted against bills he SPONSORED. How many votes has McSame missed...not vote "present"...MISSED. Do an internet search and find articles from the 2000 campaign and where McSame stood on the issues then...and compare them to where he stands today. I would have voted for McCain back in 2000, but today it really is like voting for a third term of W.
Gilding the Lily
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Ah. You are showing some stripes, bud. Don't forget that McCain also called for a resolution.
"The United States and our allies should continue efforts to bring a resolution before the UN Security Council condemning Russian aggression, noting the withdrawal of Georgian troops from South Ossetia, and calling for an immediate ceasefire and the withdrawal of Russian troops from Georgian territory."
Presumably, Obama is calling for a resolution for the same reason as McCain: to add additional pressure from the world court of opinion, despite Russian Veto threats.
whatkindoffreshhell
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McCain has a track record and is a genuine courageous man.
But Obama will win going away because the voters want change.
I just can't stomach voting for anybody who promotes partia-birth abortions though.
But Obama will win going away because the voters want change.
I just can't stomach voting for anybody who promotes partia-birth abortions though.
delldude
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Duh?Thanks,Pal
All I can say...like him or not...America will regret it if and when Obama has his day.
KCFlyer
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McSame may be a courageous man...but his track record is not that stellar. Read anything just about from any source today, and they say McSame's biggest flaw is that he will change his opinion depending on what the last person he spoke with thought.
As for the "partial birth" or late term abortion...how many of these are being used for birth control purposes? Without going into the details, my ex had to have a late term abortion. I wouldn't wish the decision on anyone, especially when you wanted a baby but found it lacked a brain. Would you make your wife carry it to term? Because if you would have outlawed "partial birth abortions" you would have condemned my wife to carrying what the medical community loving calls a "monster" to term. Yes...there might be a few folks who are heartless enough to get pregnant and wait several months into the pregnancy to decide that they didn't want it. I think most folks who have that procedure are having it done for reasons other than birth control.
Tug McGroin
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Sorry Gilding, I obviously missed the part in Obama’s official statement where he recognized Russia’s veto power in the UNSC and his intention behind pressing for a UN resolution. I guess I didn’t presume enough.
McCain’s official statement is perfectly clear in recognizing Russia’s veto power and the intent of pressing for a UN resolution;
"The United States and our allies should continue efforts to bring a resolution before the UN Security Council condemning Russian aggression, noting the withdrawal of Georgian troops from South Ossetia, and calling for an immediate ceasefire and the withdrawal of Russian troops from Georgian territory. We should move ahead with the resolution despite Russian veto threats, and submit Russia to the court of world public opinion.â€
Gilding the Lily
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So, because he didn't point out that it is subject to veto, he obviously missed it??? How do you figure? Like in American politics, the President can veto whatever he wants; everytime a senator proposes a bill, must he/she always qualify that it is subject to presidential veto??? That is absurd.
McCain and Obama called for a very similar resolution! Final. You guys are really stretching now... you have so much other things on Obama; no need to look silly.
JS
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