OCT/NOV 2012 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[Phoenix]

There is an attempt at getting a recall on the clt reps. But it has been going on for a couple months now so don't think it is getting much traction. (Seems to enforce what I was saying that anything that even appears to maybe be a NIC possible item gets no support) A couple folks that are associated with the recall are considered by many to be outsiders in their own pilot group.

The Caped Marauder is sending out emails trying to lead the recall effort in CLT. That should tell us everything we need to know!

 

[flyer63]

That sounds like a good system, far better than the system on the west. PBS can be good, it's just our version sucks because our version was basically negotiated by a group that likes to "get along" with management at every turn and so our product gives everything benefits-wise to management. Plus, and here is where I asked clarification from you, our lines are not finalized until the 19th of the month prior. Our November lines didn't come out until 18 October. Same airline, same flights shared between domiciles but over a month apart in bid award. Three domiciles have bids awarded one month ahead of the fourth. Anybody see something wrong with this situation? I hear second hand PBS at TWA was awesome because of the features they had negotiated into it.

Thanks for keeping an open mind. From what I have heard from talking extensively about this to friends at other airlines. Is we on the east have the best system out there. From my discussions, PBS does not hold a candle to our system.


Our system can bid primary line
Modify it during sap schedule adjustment period
Modify again 2 days prior with ail. Availability improvemen list

If you look at the open time on the 25th dec, 5 trips were dropped and will be flown by reserves. During sap. They all were dropped when sap was run today at 0951 et today

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

So is that how USAPA is going to sell DOH to the west, "Being stapled without the protections in the TA is better than stagnating under fleet mins and block hr restrictions"?

Think about the issues. There is absolutely no reason for the west to negotiate with Integration Hijackers. Especially unarmed ones (unless you agree that EastUS incessant yammering is a not-so-much-lethal-as-pitiful weapon).

What has not been addressed is how to compel the east to produce a contract for a vote. A representation election seems to be the only recourse and every measly paycheck you guys recieve should motivate such a drive.

Has the recall petition made it's way east yet?

WAVING THE FUD CARD! , It has been addressed your little limited mind, as well as your seniority can't wrap , any cognetive thought around it , GOLF with BOBBY B and get back to us, and pleez, MARTY wrote to PAT S, needing some funds, heck your not on LOA 93, a CHRISTMAS BONUS CHECK, would be a nice JESTER, I mean GESTURE!

 

[prechilill]

If you look at the open time on the 25th dec, 5 trips were dropped and will be flown by reserves. During sap. They all were dropped when sap was run today at 0951 et today

That would NEVER happen with our scheduling system. Sure, it's there in writing trips can be dropped but the staffing is always negative, even when Parker declares the west is overstaffed... Hmmmmm.

 

[Claxon]

You must be talking about east pilots.

A furloughed east pilot had no seniority, it does not matter how long it took to get furloughed he was still furloughed and junior. Even on the east list he was junior. So in a seniority integration arbitration the east pilot was placed below the pilots with a job. That is what he earned.

usapa is trying to place that east furloughed pilot about a west line holding captain. That is stealing.

You are living in the far past. Your pilots elected a new representative union. New day, new way. Nic is so, so outdated.

 

[flyer63]

That would NEVER happen with our scheduling system. Sure, it's there in writing trips can be dropped but the staffing is always negative, even when Parker declares the west is overstaffed... Hmmmmm.

I've heard of that before, mgmt always rigs the system for their benefit, and that is exactly what I hear is wrong with PBS from friends who,use it other airlines. It's also very nice getting schedule 2 months early

 

[Black Swan]

It will be a shame if we do end up giving up SAP and the scheduling system.
Just dropped a 4 day going out the 25th. DEC.
The EAST system is so superior to the west and Pref bidding.

Yes, I am crying over my 10 day Dec block with island turns, and dumped Christmas knowing SAP would let me bid the block and do it. The AUA turns at over 9 hrs are awesome.
I don't think our West friends know anything about our bidding system. 2 months out, Sap, then bid sheet. Love it. The F/A group has it far and away even better. There is a reason they want preferential bidding. It gives the pilots less flex and them more. Less pilots to fly their schedules. It is not my problem. I will not vote to give it up.\
Talk to an East F/A. They have the best system of any airline by FAR. Their system destroys the East pilots, which has always been the best of any airline so far. Although I am hearing some great things about Jetblues system. Would like to know more about it.

 

[Black Swan]

What's the difference between primary and secondary?

Like your avatar. Thought it was Liberace, but then, oh, Gary.......

 

[Black Swan]

What's the difference between primary and secondary?

Secondary blocks comprised of what is dumped in SAP, and left in open time.A primary guy with a Christmas trip can dump it outright, providing they are in the top 20% or so seniority level. If another pilot does not pick it up, it goes to secondary. There is no SAP in secondary. You get the block you bid, no modification- but as a blockholder, can avail yourself to the bid sheet one and two days out to pick up a different trip. Some secondaries are selected by primary people who will not take a bad primary, and then get a secondary with weekends or a holiday off. It is a gamble going to secondary. If you are the top secondary bidder, you can usually get a good line. Some junior primary blockholders will pass on a primary line to wait to secondary to see what is there, then if that is bad, go reserve.
Original USAir had no SAP. Piedmont had it, and have to say it is a great deal. The fact we took the best of both from PAI and U and combined them is a statement of how things can work. The combination is awesome, and we can thank our PAI friends for SAP. It is unbelievable. I do not think you will get any original USAir or PAI to give away this system in a contract. It is a NO for me.

 

[A320 Driver]

Of Nic allows me out there based on that list, then I have the right. We merged you idiot and had a new list put together. I'm not the jerkoff trying to prevent its implementation.

One day you'll be dust and ill be on the 350.

Maybe, if your health holds out, anything is possible.

Driver...

 

[prechilill]

Like your avatar. Thought it was Liberace, but then, oh, Gary.......

Gary has a better quaff- impeccable, always

 

[prechilill]

I've heard of that before, mgmt always rigs the system for their benefit, and that is exactly what I hear is wrong with PBS from friends who,use it other airlines. It's also very nice getting schedule 2 months early

Just something to look our for in the next contract- the details. Parker and co. love vagueness, then ignore intent and finally play dumb with the contract, send it to arbitration, two years later little clarification is returned and the process repeats.
APA has no clue who they are dealing with.

 

[Metroyet]

WAVING THE FUD CARD! , It has been addressed your little limited mind, as well as your seniority can't wrap , any cognetive thought around it , GOLF with BOBBY B and get back to us, and pleez, MARTY wrote to PAT S, needing some funds, heck your not on LOA 93, a CHRISTMAS BONUS CHECK, would be a nice JESTER, I mean GESTURE!

Honestly. You clearly suffer from some form of retardation.

 

[Black Swan]

Gary has a better quaff- impeccable, always

That is the one thing you can truly say about him.

 

[A320 Driver]

You must be talking about east pilots.

A furloughed east pilot had no seniority, it does not matter how long it took to get furloughed he was still furloughed and junior. Even on the east list he was junior. So in a seniority integration arbitration the east pilot was placed below the pilots with a job. That is what he earned.

usapa is trying to place that east furloughed pilot about a west line holding captain. That is stealing.

I would agree that putting a furloughed pilot ahead of the flying West Captains would be wrong. But the greater problem, IMO, is your second paragraph. You said that all a furloughed pilot's time in service, possibly a decade or more, has no value when compared to a newhire pilot with 3 months on the property. That's just wrong. You can muster every argument you can think of to justify it, and it will STILL be wrong. These are the problems with the NIC and straight DOH. Both have there share of inequities and no amount of justification will ever make it right.
You cannot just throw those years of service away. At the same time, you can't expect to displace a flying Captain to accomodate them.

I stand corrected. You CAN throw away years of service...that is what NIC did.

Driver...