OCT/NOV 2012 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[cleardirect]

With a possible transaction with American involved; I would say that you woefully underestimate the size of the box and playground.

If you say so.

Why the desperation from the company if the box is so big? Parker has gone 8 years why the panic for an answer now?

 

[EastUS1]

Why the desperation from the company.........? .....why the panic....?

I'd honestly love to be able to agree with you here, but where do you even begin to see any signs of either?

 

[Move2CLT]

[background=transparent]Parker could literally offer us the Kirby Proposal X 2 tomorrow and still be even money going forward over the course of a 3-4 year contract. Parker could have ended this a long time ago. But Parker thought he was being clever - and for a time he was. However, the current status quo and labor stalemate will yield him greatly diminishing returns in a merger scenario as members of the UCC wonder what's been going on in his own back yard as he maneuvers to run a combined world class operation. [/background]

No KV, you idiots thought you were being clever by voting in a new union. You guys could have ended this long ago but no, LOA93 suits you better than the Nic.

And speaking of LO93, there's another example of your cleverness.

Oh, and the injunction.

F you until you become accountable.

 

[Piedmont1984]

No KV, you idiots thought you were being clever by voting in a new union. You guys could have ended this long ago but no, LOA93 suits you better than the Nic.

And speaking of LO93, there's another example of your cleverness.

Oh, and the injunction.

F you until you become accountable.

We idiots have you foaming over your keyboard and resorting to expletives. In the aftermath of the Nic, a new union was almost inevitable. We could have capitulated long ago but we didn't. Now it looks like the only way you'll get the Nic is if Parker steps up or we all cooperate and get a JCBA and you can finally go for your DFR.

I guess we'll take credit for the injunction.

 

[jetjok1]

You east guys are not going to like what is coming at you from the company in judge Silvers court now.

It would appear that Parker is reaching the end of his patience with usapa and this whole seniority thing.

Good, it's about time he acts like a CEO and makes a decision for once in his DUI life.

 

[Move2CLT]

We idiots have you foaming over your keyboard and resorting to etive. In the aftermath of the Nic, a new union was almost inevitable. We could have capitulated long ago but we didn't. Now it looks like the only way you'll get the Nic is if Parker steps up or we all cooperate and get a JCBA and you can finally go for your DFR.

I guess we'll take credit for the injunction.

No foam here KV. The expletives merely emphasize your idiocy.

And Parker is going to step up and, as a hint, you won't be happy.

 

[Claxon]

Piedmont1984 has got your number. Furloughed and absolutely scared to death, for good reason. David O Dell will be an eastern div. Capt in no time. You? An AA merger with you and Cleardirect on the street is a bad scenario. A career changer. You never should have listened to Ferguson.

 

[luvn737s]

As expected...

From the company 10/30/2012


http://leonidas.cactuspilots.us/Declatory_Relief/Doc199_reconsider.pdf
http://leonidas.cactuspilots.us/Declatory_Relief/Doc200_USA_motion_for_relief.pdf
http://leonidas.cactuspilots.us/Declatory_Relief/Doc201_Siegel_declaration.pdf

 

[Phoenix]

No surprise... the company is again grandstanding in the courts and hiding behind their skirts to avoid their responsibility to negotiate with USAPA.

Now the company has come up with the novel idea that a failure of negotiations between AOL and USAPA is proof that the 9th was wrong, as if the 9th ever expected or required AOL and USAPA to negotiate, which the 9th never did.

The 9th NEVER foresaw or expected the West and East to negotiate anything or come up with a solution outside of the normal ratification process that was yet to be seen until AFTER a RATIFICATION.

The 9th laid out the road ahead and the company is still running from it. The Company and USAPA negotiate, a JCBA is ratified by ALL the pilots, any complaints are then ripe, the merits get evaluated according to the SCOTUS DFR standards.

But now the company wants to silently shirk their responsibility to negotiate by getting the courts to do what they have said repeatedly that they won't do. NO INTERFERENCE during negotiations between the company and USAPA, no RLA interference. NONE. Quit hiding.

These guys are clowns. Where is Fodase when you need him.

 

[nevergiveup]

As expected...

From the company 10/30/2012


http://leonidas.cact..._reconsider.pdf
http://leonidas.cact..._for_relief.pdf
http://leonidas.cact...declaration.pdf

CYA in action!

 

[Phoenix]

CYA in action!

They should be embarrassed to allow themselves to look so ignorant. Did you catch the part where the company lawyer was citing letters he received from Marty...What a source. No collusion there.. just taking advantage of an easy patsy.

 

[cleardirect]

No surprise... the company is again grandstanding in the courts and hiding behind their skirts to avoid their responsibility to negotiate with USAPA.

Now the company has come up with the novel idea that a failure of negotiations between AOL and USAPA is proof that the 9th was wrong, as if the 9th ever expected or required AOL and USAPA to negotiate, which the 9th never did.

The 9th NEVER foresaw or expected the West and East to negotiate anything or come up with a solution outside of the normal ratification process that was yet to be seen until AFTER a RATIFICATION.

The 9th laid out the road ahead and the company is still running from it. The Company and USAPA negotiate, a JCBA is ratified by ALL the pilots, any complaints are then ripe, the merits get evaluated according to the SCOTUS DFR standards.

But now the company wants to silently shirk their responsibility to negotiate by getting the courts to do what they have said repeatedly that they won't do. NO INTERFERENCE during negotiations between the company and USAPA, no RLA interference. NONE. Quit hiding.

These guys are clowns. Where is Fodase when you need him.

Well I think you just put to rest the argument some of you east guys were making that the west "failing" to negotiate with usapa was evidence that usapa was not a DFR.

The 9th NEVER foresaw or expected the West and East to negotiate anything or come up with a solution outside of the normal ratification process that was yet to be seen until AFTER a RATIFICATION.

Yet when the west pilots told you that many denied it.

One more false LUP shot down.

 

[cleardirect]

They should be embarrassed to allow themselves to look so ignorant. Did you catch the part where the company lawyer was citing letters he received from Marty...What a source. No collusion there.. just taking advantage of an easy patsy.

And a letter written by Shamanski.

Now didn't usapa and just recently all 3 east domicile declare victory and that IT WAS OVER?

It would appear that the company does not consider the matter over. If the company thought that they could negotiate for seniority why would they file this?

 

[prechilill]

Excellent observations Pre, and largely agreed with here (zero sarcasm of any sort intended) most especially: "I disagree. Parker has a great thing going, he doesn't need a contract and just fine with how things are going." and "With what the company has offered, who in their right mind would sign on to a substandard, multi year contract?"

And the timing is simply amazing, we learn about the company's latest filing yesterday asking for a little vacating of Silver's ruling- just in time for the NMB meeting next week. This development would almost be unbelievable but the fact it is Parker it actually is believable.

Parker is the reason we don't have a contract, as pretty much all of us know the seniority fight would work itself out one way or another if there was a decent enough carrot dangled in front of us. But Parker has no interest in playing ball, he thinks we will continue to work like galley slaves for another decade. I feel something has to give soon and am actually quite pleased with Silver's ruling. It really is the best thing for both east and west going forward because it seems to me Silver understands where the real problem is and recognizes the solution to seniority cannot be had until there is a contract. If you don't negotiate a contract, how can you have a solution (or progress toward) settlement of seniority? The 9th totally put the screws to Parker and his boys which, upon reflection, is why I think they filed the DJ a month after the 9th ruled. Hopefully, the NMB will take a cue from Silver and make the company negotiate in "good faith" on every section outside of seniority to get this over with.

 

[Phoenix]

Well I think you just put to rest the argument some of you east guys were making that the west "failing" to negotiate with usapa was evidence that usapa was not a DFR.


Yet when the west pilots told you that many denied it.

One more false LUP shot down.

An offer to have discussion about the SLI, even when USAPA is not required to do so, and Marty refusing to accept the gracious offer, is proof positive of Marty breaching his duty to do the best thing for his client.

And it in no way contradicts that the 9th laid out the requirement for the company and USAPA to continue with the RLA process of getting to a ratified contract, without interference from the courts.