OCT/NOV 2012 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[lynyrdskynyrd]

"Gracious" was hyperbole.

Regardless, the only people unwilling to move forward are the West. The company is ready and USAPA is ready but some folks are hanging on to things that obviously won't work. Refusing to even show up for a discussion shows who is intransigent. I am afraid one day the West will remember with bitter irony their words to the ALPA East who refused to hear Nicalau when he told them to offer something that would work.

I don't think the east position before Nicolau retired to render his decision and the west position now is an apples to apples comparison. Usapa does not want any west input on anything, it's all disingenous whitewash. The west is still under duress, there is nothing fair and equal about the usapa, um, 'process.'

I'd rather ulimately lose and work under a doh list than just bend over to the still alive power play.

 

[cleardirect]

In addition to actually fulfilling their RLA responsibilities to negotiate with USAPA, the company should have read the letter by Szymanski... and you should grow up and quit using ad hominem arguments all the time. It is childish.

Really. Repeating what east pilots have said are not attacks?

BTW moron the company did read his letter. It is attached to the filing. Just because they don't agree with it does not mean they did not read it.

 

[luvthe9]

They are negotiating, they're saying they won't move off the Nicolau Award without immunity.

Then USAPA can sue the company for not bargaining with their union agent. After Silver gave the greenlight. There is more chance of getting a piece of the company by the East pilots than the West now. The Nicolau is not a requirement and if the company tries to do it, we go after them hard.

 

[Claxon]

Said the idiot on LOA 93 with no pension, an injunction, and still waiting for a new contract in 90 days.

Bradford led you to the promised land, didn't he. LMAO!

Sukah.

Said the idiot on LOA 93 with no pension, an injunction, and still waiting for a new contract in 90 days.

Bradford led you to the promised land, didn't he. LMAO!

Sukah.

When is the move you idiot? You are on the second worst contract in the industry, and have made much less than any eastern div pilot over your career. You only recently got anything half a$$. Everyone else knows you dragged the industry down, and by the way. I am original NWA. I cannot stand your AWA dirtball outfit.

 

[Claxon]

When is the move you idiot? You are on the second worst contract in the industry, and have made much less than any eastern div pilot over your career. You only recently got anything half a$$. Everyone else knows you dragged the industry down, and by the way. I am original NWA. I cannot stand your AWA dirtball outfit. Nobody in their right mind ever applied to AWA.

 

[traderjake]

The Nicolau is not a requirement and if the company tries to do it, we go after them hard.

I bet the company is shaking in their boots.

It's not a requirement for the company move off the Nicolau Award either just because you them to.

 

[lynyrdskynyrd]

Then USAPA can sue the company for not bargaining with their union agent. After Silver gave the greenlight. There is more chance of getting a piece of the company by the East pilots than the West now. The Nicolau is not a requirement and if the company tries to do it, we go after them hard.

Actually, that's exactly what I wished would have happened the instant usapa turned over it's list. I've said that before. Let's just say I disagree with your take here. Granted, we have had the a few court processes since then, but I don't think that would change much, at least in my laymans opinion. I still think it would be usapa battling an 11 billion plus a year revenue company for upholding it's part in the tripartate agreement know as the transition agreement.

In fact I'd still like to see that. I'd like to see the NMB unpark, and the company tell usapa the 'nic is it, you don't like it, sue us.' Of course it's pretty much moot. I don't see such a thing even remotely being close to happening.

 

[Phoenix]

And a letter written by Shamanski.
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BTW moron ...

Despite your penchant for ad hominem comments, your preference for equivocation, and your failure to come to grips with reality.. the only way forward is through a JCBA, negotiated between the company and USAPA, ratified by all pilots.

Marty would do well to write nicer love letters to his objects of affection if he ever intends to win some love.

 

[Move2CLT]

Then USAPA can sue the company for not bargaining with their union agent. After Silver gave the greenlight. There is more chance of getting a piece of the company by the East pilots than the West now. The Nicolau is not a requirement and if the company tries to do it, we go after them hard.

STFU you moron. This post is so god damn stupid.

You're under and injunction and you have nothing with which to go after the company.

You're f-ing clueless with with your snapbacks, 3%, DOH, etc crap. The company is going Nic and you'll hear that before the end of the year. This appeal was the first step.

Oh, remember when you said the company wouldn't appeal? Add that to your list of stupidity.

 

[Move2CLT]

Despite your penchant for ad hominem comments, your preference for equivocation, and your failure to come to grips with reality.. the only way forward is through a JCBA, negotiated between the company and USAPA, ratified by all pilots.

Marty would do well to write nicer love letters to his objects of affection if he ever intends to win some love.

No, there's another way. The APA does it for us because USAPA no longer exists.

 

[Move2CLT]

Nice job quoting yourself you dumb ####.

 

[Phoenix]

I don't think the east position before Nicolau retired to render his decision and the west position now is an apples to apples comparison. Usapa does not want any west input on anything, it's all disingenous whitewash. The west is still under duress, there is nothing fair and equal about the usapa, um, 'process.'

I'd rather ulimately lose and work under a doh list than just bend over to the still alive power play.

SOme would say the East ALPA MEC thought Nicalau's call for input and help was disingenuous whitewash.

Regardless of your opinion of USAPA's motives or sincerity, they are the legal bargaining agent of all USAir pilots.

 

[luvn737s]

Regardless, the only people unwilling to move forward are the West. The company is ready and USAPA is ready but some folks are hanging on to things that obviously won't work. Refusing to even show up for a discussion shows who is intransigent.

I pay USAPA a tremendous amount of money to be my representitive. How about they refund all of my dues for the past 5 years and remove DOH from the C&BLs.

RLA prohibits dual representation, so USAPA has to quit picking winners and losers. They can't even be in the middle of negotiations unless they want to permit the west to have separate ratification and equal veto power with the east.

What you really want is the nanny from APA to come in and change your diaper.

 

[lynyrdskynyrd]

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Regardless of your opinion of USAPA's motives or sincerity, they are the legal bargaining agent of all USAir pilots.

Oh I know usapa is. Thanks to some holes in the Swiss cheese lining up, usapa is indeed our bargaining agent operating under the cloak of legitimacy. The east tried to submit the west and ran into some problems. I'm not going to apologize for being unable to help out.

 

[cactusboy53]

An offer to have discussion about the SLI, even when USAPA is not required to do so, and Marty refusing to accept the gracious offer, is proof positive of Marty breaching his duty to do the best thing for his client.

And it in no way contradicts that the 9th laid out the requirement for the company and USAPA to continue with the RLA process of getting to a ratified contract, without interference from the courts.

So we are in error since we refuse to negotiate AWAY from the product if a mutually agreed upon process.

It's two more desperate attempts to get us to waiver (Hummel & Merger Com). Put out that GOLD STANDARD boys, and lets get his baby moving.