OCT/NOV 2012 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[cleardirect]

Fellow Pilots,

Late yesterday (Tuesday, October 30), the Company filed a motion in the Phoenix Declaratory Judgment Action asking Judge Silver to vacate the decision issued on October 11. Copies of the motion and supporting papers (Documents 199-201) are posted in the Legal Library.
Our lawyers will oppose the motion and do not believe that it has any merit. In fact, they referred to the motion as a “stunt.” The motion claims it is based on “new” evidence consisting of correspondence between USAPA’s attorney and the attorney for the West Pilot Class. The fact that the West Pilot Class continues to refuse to discuss any seniority proposal other than the Nicolau Award is regrettable, but nevertheless, we expect the motion will be denied.

More unfortunate is the fact that this stunt by the Company appears to be yet another ploy to delay negotiating a separate Section 6 agreement with USAPA. As the Company is aware, we are scheduled to meet with the National Mediation Board on November 8 to discuss the status of negotiations, and we expect the Company will point to this motion as a reason for further delay.

Our pilots have suffered for far too long with substandard wages. It is time for the Company, as well as the National Mediation Board, to recognize that it is time for an agreement, and that is exactly what we will be telling the NMB on November 8.

Respectfully,

Gary Hummel, President

I agree Mr. Hummel. It is time for usapa to accept the Nicolau and agree to use it in a new contract as he said himself the company is using this as a delay tactic. But if the east is to stupid or blind to see that. So be it.

I just keep coming back usapa and many on here saying we WON. It is over.

Not so much.

 

[Phoenix]

And a letter written by Shamanski.

Now didn't usapa and just recently all 3 east domicile declare victory and that IT WAS OVER?

It would appear that the company does not consider the matter over. If the company thought that they could negotiate for seniority why would they file this?

In addition to actually fulfilling their RLA responsibilities to negotiate with USAPA, the company should have read the letter by Szymanski... and you should grow up and quit using ad hominem arguments all the time. It is childish.

 

[Phoenix]

I agree Mr. Hummel. It is time for usapa to accept the Nicolau and agree to use it in a new contract as he said himself the company is using this as a delay tactic. But if the east is to stupid or blind to see that. So be it.

I just keep coming back usapa and many on here saying we WON. It is over.

Not so much.

Mr. Hummel does not agree with you. But at least Marty is smart enough to see reality. The only way forward is through a ratified contract and USAPA has the sole authority to make proposals, thus Mary's begging USAPA to adopt a proposal preferred by his clients.

If the courts had the power to make USAPA do what Marty is begging USAPA to willing do, then Marty would be writing love letters to the courts instead of love letters to Patrick.

 

[traderjake]

In addition to actually fulfilling their RLA responsibilities to negotiate with USAPA

They are negotiating, they're saying they won't move off the Nicolau Award without immunity.

 

[lynyrdskynyrd]

An offer to have discussion about the SLI, even when USAPA is not required to do so, and Marty refusing to accept the gracious offer, is proof positive of Marty breaching his duty to do the best thing for his client.
.....

Please. That offer from usapa is about as 'gracious' as was its offer of a 'settlement' to the cactus 18.

 

[Phoenix]

Please. That offer from usapa is about as 'gracious' as was its offer of a 'settlement' to the cactus 18.

"Gracious" was hyperbole.

Regardless, the only people unwilling to move forward are the West. The company is ready and USAPA is ready but some folks are hanging on to things that obviously won't work. Refusing to even show up for a discussion shows who is intransigent. I am afraid one day the West will remember with bitter irony their words to the ALPA East who refused to hear Nicalau when he told them to offer something that would work.

 

[Move2CLT]

They are negotiating, they're saying they won't move off the Nicolau Award without immunity.

This guy gets it.

 

[Move2CLT]

"Gracious" was hyperbole.

Regardless, the only people unwilling to move forward are the West. The company is ready and USAPA is ready but some folks are hanging on to things that obviously won't work. Refusing to even show up for a discussion shows who is intransigent. I am afraid one day the West will remember with bitter irony their words to the ALPA East who refused to hear Nicalau when he told them to offer something that would work.

The west is ready to move forward as well.

I'm wondering if USAPA would be ready to move forward with the Nic.

So its not just the west that has its requirements, is it?

 

[Move2CLT]

An offer to have discussion about the SLI, even when USAPA is not required to do so, and Marty refusing to accept the gracious offer, is proof positive of Marty breaching his duty to do the best thing for his client.

And it in no way contradicts that the 9th laid out the requirement for the company and USAPA to continue with the RLA process of getting to a ratified contract, without interference from the courts.

Even when "USAPA" is not required to do so....

Man you're an idiot. When has USAPA done anything for the west out of courtesy? No, USAPA is making an offer because it knows the company isn't going to touch your list without immunity - which it doesn't have.

Like I said a few pages back, if this AA merger falls through, you'll hit the 10 year mark on LOA93 easily and then some.

 

[Claxon]

No surprise... the company is again grandstanding in the courts and hiding behind their skirts to avoid their responsibility to negotiate with USAPA.

Now the company has come up with the novel idea that a failure of negotiations between AOL and USAPA is proof that the 9th was wrong, as if the 9th ever expected or required AOL and USAPA to negotiate, which the 9th never did.

The 9th NEVER foresaw or expected the West and East to negotiate anything or come up with a solution outside of the normal ratification process that was yet to be seen until AFTER a RATIFICATION.

The 9th laid out the road ahead and the company is still running from it. The Company and USAPA negotiate, a JCBA is ratified by ALL the pilots, any complaints are then ripe, the merits get evaluated according to the SCOTUS DFR standards.

But now the company wants to silently shirk their responsibility to negotiate by getting the courts to do what they have said repeatedly that they won't do. NO INTERFERENCE during negotiations between the company and USAPA, no RLA interference. NONE. Quit hiding.

These guys are clowns. Where is Fodase when you need him.

You don't work for USAir, this is Franke Air, aka America West. A dirtbag outfit. Always has been. Did you expect anything good would ever come from this hookup? This is the outfit that sent jets and scabs to Australia. It is still the same dirtball outfit.

 

[Claxon]

You don't work for USAir, this is Franke Air, aka America West. A dirtbag outfit. Always has been. Did you expect anything good would ever come from this hookup? This is the airline that sent jets and crews to scab in Australia. Dirtballs.

 

[Claxon]

Even when "USAPA" is not required to do so....

Man you're an idiot. When has USAPA done anything for the west out of courtesy? No, USAPA is making an offer because it knows the company isn't going to touch your list without immunity - which it doesn't have.

Like I said a few pages back, if this AA merger falls through, you'll hit the 10 year mark on LOA93 easily and then some.

Like I said, when the merger goes through, you and the other westerners who listened to Ferguson are screwed.

 

[Move2CLT]

Like I said, when the merger goes through, you and the other westerners who listened to Ferguson are screwed.

Said the idiot on LOA 93 with no pension, an injunction, and still waiting for a new contract in 90 days.

Bradford led you to the promised land, didn't he. LMAO!

Sukah.

 

[Move2CLT]

Where's mutation at? I wonder if he remembers this gem of his:

Well all things take time, we will just wait and see! 3% up next, Hopefully before halloween, tractors are on sale, man those hayrides are a blast! MUTATIS!

 

[traderjake]

Said the idiot on LOA 93 with no pension, an injunction, and still waiting for a new contract in 90 days.

Claxon doesn't even work here, my guess is he wishes he made LOA 93.