OCT/NOV 2012 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[EastUS1]

You're soaking in it!

Hey, maybe I was wrong. You seem unable to do anything in silence, why should suffering be the exception.

"Hey, maybe I was wrong." Such a thing could never be possible...could it? 😉

I'll leave any and all "suffering" to you this fine day. Have a good one...if you can. 🙂

 

[cactusboy53]

cactusboy

The only way to move beyond our present circumstance is to first recognize and acknowledge where we are. Progress will only be made if we move forward from where we are, not where we were several years ago.

Both sides need to relinquish their idealogical positions and begin to think in practical terms how to solve this stalemate. And by the way, all who retire, whether east or west, while this legal dispute continues unresolved - for them it is definitely stalemate.

Instead of listening to the hardliners on either side with the loudest voices, USAPA's leadership and BPR need to grow some and listen to the largest number of voices instead.

It's known as 'realpolitik' and we need a strong dose of it here.

Ours is NOT an "ideological position". It is a legal, final and binding position. To quote Mike & Randy: The courts have NEVER overturned an arbitration.

I guess we're back to the BARGAINING portion of the USAPA version of the Kubler-Ross model. Next stop: DEPRESSION.

No hard line. Fact. No loud voice, just a calm statement that we remain firm on legal, ethical and moral high ground. Until you break the circle of DENIAL, ANGER, BARGAINING, and DEPRESSION...you will never move on to ACCEPTANCE. We have all the time in the world, and eventually the courts will make you do what you should have done in 2007.

Have a great day.

 

[Move2CLT]

Phoenix, on 01 November 2012 - 09:05 AM, said: Until the company is ready to rock then the pilots will be relegated to wearing yellow raincoats and making whinny speeches at crew news.



What "slow down"? but anyway: Good point Move. For any truly effective action to be taken: You guys better stick with the raincoats and Waaahs!...and don't forget the swoosh-emblazoned kneepads of course. 😉

Hmmm...better yet: Have your slimy, fat-boy-JM offer up another gray hair joke to his "friend" Doug, That kind of thing is always devastatingly effective in getting the west's way! 🙂

I see you're still I'm idiot mode.

What slow down? The one that got you enjoined

And those yellow lanyards, WWDD, and yellow highlighters were SO effective...oh, wait, no they weren't.

You guys have really shown management who's boss. Getting on your hands and knees with your ass thrust high on the air really shows the company just how tough you are. LMAO.

 

[Ames]

Phoenix, on 01 November 2012 - 09:05 AM, said: Until the company is ready to rock then the pilots will be relegated to wearing yellow raincoats and making whinny speeches at crew news.



What "slow down"? but anyway:

Here"s proof that east(hole)us is absolutely clueleess. "What slow down?" YGTBSM!

 

[Phoenix]

Ours is NOT an "ideological position". It is a legal, final and binding position. To quote Mike & Randy: The courts have NEVER overturned an arbitration.

I guess we're back to the BARGAINING portion of the USAPA version of the Kubler-Ross model. Next stop: DEPRESSION.

No hard line. Fact. No loud voice, just a calm statement that we remain firm on legal, ethical and moral high ground. Until you break the circle of DENIAL, ANGER, BARGAINING, and DEPRESSION...you will never move on to ACCEPTANCE. We have all the time in the world, and eventually the courts will make you do what you should have done in 2007.

Have a great day.

The question of whether or not the court will ever overturn an arbitration is irrelevant. The courts refuse to enforce it, and that is abundantly clear.

The relevant question is if the courts have ever overturned a ratified union contract.

 

[cactusboy53]

The question of whether or not the court will ever overturn an arbitration is irrelevant. The courts refuse to enforce it, and that is abundantly clear.

The relevant question is if the courts have ever overturned a ratified union contract.

I guess that you're just gonna have to live with what you have. You show 'em who's the man!

 

[Move2CLT]

The question of whether or not the court will ever overturn an arbitration is irrelevant. The courts refuse to enforce it, and that is abundantly clear.

The relevant question is if the courts have ever overturned a ratified union contract.

No PHX, its not clear. At least not to you.

Its not the courts job to enforce it. Its the courts job to decide on whether or not a party has been harmed because one side did not comply with the arbitration.

USAPA, technically, hasn't crossed that line of ripeness yet but, as Silver so eloquently put it, they'll be on dangerous ground if they do.

Nic is it boo.

 

[Phoenix]

I guess that you're just gonna have to live with what you have....

Living content with what we have? Never a wiser man spoke! The next beer is on me. 🙂

 

[Metroyet]

The question of whether or not the court will ever overturn an arbitration is irrelevant. The courts refuse to enforce it, and that is abundantly clear.

The relevant question is if the courts have ever overturned a ratified union contract.

The courts have made it crystal clear that they WILL ENFORCE IT when it becomes ripe. You guys live in some bizzaro world whereby you glean "facts" by utterly distorting reality to fit your needs. The 9th was dumb enough to believe USAPA was an actual labor union, not the organized criminal enterprise owned and operated by jingoistic terrorists...which is actually is. There is no negotiating. That's where the continuous loop began. Doug Parker could end all of this tomorrow if it was in his interest to do so. The Court antics are probably starting to piss off the Judge. I hope so any way.

 

[Move2CLT]

6000!!!!!!!

To my fans, both east and west, I thank you for the validation you've shown me through the up votes. I've endeavored to give you the most honest and righteous thoughts regarding our east-induced stalemate and look forward to continuing this battle with the less informed easties on this board.

On to 7000!

 

[prechilill]

No argument there LS, and as I've previously noted; yourself and some others were dealt with not only unfairly, but to a level that seemed insane to me. Quite frankly LS....It's a tribute to your character that you have any civilty to offer "the east" at all, in the aftermath of what you were put through.

Very nice post EUS1

 

[cleardirect]

what else did the ninth say about chances of getting a contract with the NIC?

That was not the ninth. that was a NY judge dismissing usapa case against the company.

 

[cleardirect]

Agreed, save for your thoughts on the 9th/DJ/etc. I believe Parker et al just opted to delay things to the max extent possible with their courtroom antics...a trend that's continuing today.

As for the NMB?...I wish I could fully share even the optimistic hope that they'll serve labor's purpose in any way. I do hope I'm wrong there.

You point out the delay yet somehow can't figure why.

It is usapa and the east that is giving Parker the excuse to delay.

 

[Phoenix]

That was not the ninth. that was a NY judge dismissing usapa case against the company.

Very well, what did the NY judge AND the 9th say about the probability of a Nic contract.

 

[cleardirect]

The question of whether or not the court will ever overturn an arbitration is irrelevant. The courts refuse to enforce it, and that is abundantly clear.

The relevant question is if the courts have ever overturned a ratified union contract.

Ummmmm. Did you miss the entire AMR 1113 court case that overturned the APA ratified contract?

You east guys really need to widen your field of vision. Your situational ethics make you the fool.