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OCT/NOV 2012 US Pilots Labor Discussion

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Awww,sniff sniff.

Deep down you're a miserable, lonely old man.

So..which is it now: "Aww, come on now grandpa," or "you're a miserable, lonely old man."? Those two, just by themselves, would be mutually exclusive notions. I see your high school "education" avoided any teachings on logic. 😉

No matter. Have a good day 🙂
 
Would your opinion be the same were you in the minority with your rights being trampled?

Didn't think so.

Your "Didn't think so." doesn't much surprise me here, so much as predictably disappoint. Any gathering of supposed adults that can first fantasize themselves as Spartans in The Army of Leonidas, presumably marching off to certain and brutal death against an overwhelming force...then further fantasize themselves as universally impeccable paradigms of "integrity"....well...I suppose it's sadly predictable that a few would find incredibly murderous genocide an equally "appropriate" comparison to some petty labor squabbles while constructing such bizarre little fantasies.

The real King Leonidas told his wife to find a good man, marry and have sons, before leaving for battle. Those millions murdered by the Nazi Reich were also under just a bit more stress than I'd want to ever imagine. Are you suggesting that this petty little east-west/west-east BS between spoiled pilots would have even showed on the figurative radars of any of the above mentioned people?...or that they'd have not wildly dreamed to have our little problems instead of their own?

By your post above; I must conclude that you're trying to somehow validate such infantile insanity...?

Two words again = GROW UP!!!
 
So..which is it now: "Aww, come on now grandpa," or "you're a miserable, lonely old man."? Those two, just by themselves, would be mutually exclusive notions. I see your high school "education" avoided any teachings on logic. 😉

No matter. Have a good day 🙂

You have a good, lonely, and blessed day as well. 😉 🙂
 
I see this action by the company as more intentional delay. They are getting bonuses by keeping costs and payroll down. This will be thrown out pronto, a few letters back and forth is not going to change her mind. She specifically said she couldn't do more because of the 9th.

Gotta love Marty, yeah just bend over and accept the nic.

And the west isn't going to negotiate on anything. They think they still have there lottery ticket.

I give the nic about 20 percent chance of seeing the light of day

And we return to DENIAL in the USAPA version of the Kubler-Ross model of grief.
 

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Still getting our money's worth!!! Nicely done.

The Nicolau Award resulted from arbitration that all agreed would be a final and binding resolution of the seniority dispute. None of USAPA’s reasons provide a legitimate basis to set it aside. Indeed, essentially all of these “legitimate” considerations were litigated in the initial seniority integration case and thus considered by George Nicolau.

These “legitimate” considerations have been litigated and rejected beginning in 2005, culminating in this litigation 7 years later. But, as long as USAPA is telling the rank-and-file otherwise, the East Pilots cling to the fantasy that they can get a new contract without implementing the Nicolau Award because of these “new” considerations.
 
of course. Your point? The East is doing this to themselves, the West is only guilty of playing by the rules and trusting the other two parties to an agreement. You'll love this....the West pilots are victims of the East. Plain and Simple. When all of this shakes out, I'd expect litigation for damages to go on for years and years. Nobody out West is ever going to forgive anybody for doing this to them. This situation will probably ripple through the Airline until the last guy retires.

The East will not accept the former Franke air entitlement. As an example the following West pilot resume wanted to be senior to a never furloughed East pilot.


Airline Pilot

USAirways

Public Company; 10,001+ employees; LCC; Airlines/Aviation industry
August 2004 – Present (8 years 4 months) Phoenix, Arizona Area
First Officer, Airbus 320-series aircraft.



Airline Pilot

Trans States Airlines


January 2003 – August 2004 (1 year 8 months)
Captain, EMB-145 aircraft.



Airline Pilot

American Airlines

Public Company; 10,001+ employees; AMR; Airlines/Aviation industry
December 2001 – November 2002 (1 year) St Louis, Mo
Flew the MD-80 series aircraft for American Airlines as part of their 2001 purchase of TWA.



Airline Pilot

Trans World Airlines

Public Company; 10,001+ employees; TWA; Airlines/Aviation industry
March 1999 – November 2001 (2 years 9 months) St Louis, MO
First Officer/MD-80 aircraft.



Pilot

Trans States Airlines

Privately Held; 501-1000 employees; Airlines/Aviation industry
March 1996 – March 1999 (3 years 1 month) St Louis, MO
Captain, Jetstream 3200 aircraft.



Pilot

GP Exress Airlines


January 1995 – March 1996 (1 year 3 months) Grand Island, NE
First Officer/Beech 99 and Beech 1900 aircraft.
 
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Leonidas Update October 31, 2012

Wednesday, 31 October 2012 22:54 | | |


We would like to remind you that there will be a “meet and greet” session with our attorneys from Polsinelli Shughart, this Friday, November 2nd at the Crown Plaza, 4300 E. Washington St. from 9AM to Noon. All West pilots and their significant others are welcome. The Hotel has a shuttle service to and from the airport, or you can take the Light Rail bus from Terminal 4 and walk across Washington street.

The attorneys will address your questions and concerns regarding the recent ruling by Judge Silver in the company’s Declaratory Judgment case, including the filings made last night by the Company (which you can read here). Additionally, Marty and Andy will have plenty of editorial comments to make about where we are at today and how a merger with American enters into the equation. Since we are so close to the meet and greet, we will defer comment on the Company’s latest filings in this update. What we will say for now is that under Rule 4 of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure, a Rule 60 Motion resets the time to appeal if the Motion is filed within 28 days of the Judgment (Document 193). Here, the Company’s Rule 60 Motion was filed within 28 days of the Judgment, so now we have to wait for Judge Silver to rule on the Rule 60 Motion, and then the 30 day appeal clock will start to run anew.

One thing we do want to comment on is this week’s CLT update. Predictably, the CLT reps take narrow snippets from Document 193 and then inflate their way to “facts” which are really just unsubstantiated opinions. The crux of what Judge Silver is thinking is found in the transcripts from the October 2nd hearing (and here is the complete thought; no snippets will be found in a Leonidas Update):

“I will tell you, as everybody in this courtroom knows, I wanted this [Airways Dec Action] resolved today. I didn’t –maybe the exception makes the rule with the Ninth Circuit. I definitely didn’t care for that decision [majority opinion in Addington appeal]. But it’s the only one I didn’t care for forever, but we’re here. We’re stuck with it [majority opinion in Addington appeal] and I’ve tried.” (Oct 2nd, 2012 Transcript, p.20, references in parenthesis added for clarity).

The “forever” comment brought laughter in the courtroom, as she leaned forward, pretending that the 9th Circuit was listening. We at Leonidas agree with Judge Silver’s lamentations; all of us are “stuck” with Judge Tashima’s shortsightedness. The Company’s Declaratory Action case underscores why the Ninth Circuit’s Addington decision just doesn’t make sense, but regardless, that is the law for now until the Ninth revisits the issue. The unfortunate aspect for all of us is that USAPA continues to this day to ignore what every federal judge has tried to tell them; from Judge Wake’s clear explanation of the facts and the law to Judge Tashima’s warning to USAPA of creating a “painfully ripe” DFR for the West, to the latest from Judge Silver:

“An impartial arbitrator’s decision regarding an appropriate method of seniority integration is powerful evidence of a fair result. Discarding the Nicolau Award places USAPA on dangerous ground.” Document 193, pg. 7.

Her warning to USAPA could not be clearer, yet true to form, it’s consciously ignored by the East leadership.

One last note: in response to Gary Hummel’s latest President’s Message in which he states: “The fact that the West Pilot Class continues to refuse to discuss any seniority proposal other than the Nicolau Award is regrettable . . . “ This is a blatant misstatement; with the elimination of East and West MECs, USAPA forever eliminated the possibility of compromise. They consciously and deliberately eliminated the East-West distinction in order to eliminate the separate ratification provision with the Transition Agreement. Eliminating separate ratification was necessary to affect their DOH cram-down. Now, there is only one Class and Craft, and one bargaining agent for all. Engaging individual pilots in discussions on any contractual term, whether they are based in PHX, CLT, PHL or DCA, is tantamount to USAPA negotiating with itself. Welcome, President Hummel, to the mess USAPA created.

We look forward to seeing each and every one of you at Friday’s meet and greet. DOH has gone nowhere because the overwhelming majority of West pilots have stood together. This unity is as alive today as it was four years ago when all of this started. Your commitment to fund the defense of the AWA Pilots’ seniority rights is the reason USAPA’s fantasy of imposing DOH on the West has been thwarted. The Nicolau is not a matter of “if,” but “when.” Have a safe and spooky Halloween. See you on Friday.

Sincerely,

Leonidas, LLC
 
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