OCT/NOV 2012 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[luvthe9]

Clear, you have been destroyed with every court case. The seniority issue has been cleaned up. The company has to take what USAPA offers. This thing is done.

 

[luvthe9]

Metro yet. It is Leonidas which has been defeated again. Why you ever picked that is another misstep. One of many

 

[Move2CLT]

He says you won't move to CLT. So far he wins.

He retires on LOA 93 as an FO and you think he's a winner?

You are more than an idiot.

 

[cleardirect]

Clear, you have been destroyed with every court case. The seniority issue has been cleaned up. The company has to take what USAPA offers. This thing is done.

It you think so.

Has the company agreed to anything yet? If the judge says you can negotiate whatever you want let's go. But remember what you guys have been telling us from the beginning. Anything usapa hands the company would merely be a PROPOSAL. The company still has to accept it. Good luck with that.

Just a PROPOSAL with a law suit at the other end. But get to it. Are we going to wait another 2 years while usapa screws around?

 

[Move2CLT]

Metro yet. It is Leonidas which has been defeated again. Why you ever picked that is another misstep. One of many

Nope. It's you guys that don't have a clue.

Again.

Remember Kasher must pay? How did that go?

 

[cleardirect]

Metro yet. It is Leonidas which has been defeated again. Why you ever picked that is another misstep. One of many

It is hard to believe you are this obtuse.

It was the companies law suit not the west. The company has not gotten their answer. So it was the company that lost. It is the company that is is a bad spot now not the west.

We all just have to wait for usapa to perform. Nothing has changed from June 2010.

So get that PROPOSAL to the company soon. Time for usapa to perform.

 

[luvthe9]

or do you slow down?

Now apply that to a multi billion dollar company and their liability.

Hey, nothing wrong with this thinking if it helps you sleep better at night, but reality will set back in the morning.

 

[Move2CLT]

Hey, nothing wrong with this thinking if it helps you sleep better at night, but reality will set back in the morning.

Run out of chicken fat boy?

 

[luvthe9]

Run out of chicken fat boy?

Now you just run along now and read those books I picked for you and bring a box of kleenex tissues.

 

[luvthe9]

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[sup]AOL will be added to this one!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Move2 you are the main character[/sup]

 

[nevergiveup]

Get a clue already....

The arbitrator would never be sued.

usapa would be sued immediately upon submission of any non-Nic seniority list for the pilots it represents. An injunction will be sought and any further proceedings of a SLI could be shut down until that case were resolved many years later.

Does not sound like Parker's preferred method to me. Unless of course he would like to run three seperate ops with the APA pilots on their term sheet, the east on LOA93 and the West on contract 2004....oh, wait...you may be on to something here!!

Why is the NIC not being used today? The same reason it won't be in use 10 years from now. Just my opinion.

 

[BoeingBoy]

Like I've been saying, three contracts and one paint job. That's "The Plan".


seajay

Given that Parker wants a merger to be part of AA's POR, there are a few problems with your theory.

USAPA's C&B/Ls require DOH so what does USAPA do for negotiating/mediating, arbitrating the west list? DOH? Nic? Either way an "unquestionably ripe" DFR suit follows. The company, by being complicit with USAPA in using 3 lists (remember, the company has stated in court that US/AWA seniority was settled in 2007), gets involved in a hybrid DFR suit. So the merger would be on hold till the court cases were finished. That means AA's unsecured creditors wouldn't get paid until the court cases were finished and they wouldn't like that compared to an AA stand-alone plan. So a "3-way" effectively kills any merger on Parker's terms but leaves a reorganized AA free to buy US after all the legal issues are settled. Then there's the APA - they're supporting Parker's vision of a merger and expecting a bigger paycheck to go with the merger. Are they willing to wait years for the merger to happen?

Jim

 

[Barrister]

They're going to sue the company within the hour as soon as they officially collude with USAPA. The company is on record that they believed the Nic to be binding and part of the status quo the entire time. They've plainly stated that to accept anything other would be illegal. Again, all a matter of official court record.

Think that may come up if they collude? Silver is trying to lead The Coward Doug Parker down the path he's tried to ignore for 7 years.

Hey idiot boy did YOU not read the transcripts. Where is the evidence of collusion. Since when is it collusion to bargain with the current CBA. Silver did not buy the collusion argument. Oh that;s right you are smarter than she is . I get it.

NICDOA
NPJB

 

[luvthe9]

Given that Parker wants a merger to be part of AA's POR, there are a few problems with your theory.

So the merger would be on hold till the court cases were finished. That means AA's unsecured creditors wouldn't get paid until the court cases were finished and they wouldn't like that compared to an AA stand-alone plan. Jim

Wrong, nothing will be put on hold if this is going to happen it won't be stopped in court, no TRO will do that and a DFR ultra slight chance especally when both APA and USAPA agree on the terms, and if so that would be 5 to 8 years like TWA. Will be long gone. Parker will not let this little group of very angry and furloughed F/O's kill his chance at running the largest airline. Bank on it, they can easily be sold off. We all read the 9th circut ruling it's obvious Judge Silver did also.

 

[Claxon]

Be careful daring the east division pilots Nic4. You dared them at WYE River, You lost. You dared them to leave ALPA, they left. You dared them to appeal Wake. They did. The company went up against them with Silver. They have to accept USAPA s list.
You have lost EVERY dare. You have no harm. It is just an entitlement every other group at LCC did not get. You won't either. This is the latest dare you will again lose.