OCT/NOV 2012 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[EastUS1]

What an idiot. Proof that the West guys don't have a clue!

Be that as it may; I feel it's ill-mannered to post what, by definition, is supposedly a private message.....just sayin'....

That person has no need for assistance in defining himself in any case. 😉

Have a good one today All.

 

[cleardirect]

I can't even imagine any more truly compelling, legal grounds for an appeal than that. One can only believe that the 9th would be equally impressed.

I could care less if the company appeals this ruling of not. It does not effect the outcome one bit. It is the company that wants an answer. Judge Silver has told the company and usapa do what you are going to do just be very careful and have a really good reason for moving away from the Nicolau.

It is up to usapa now to get us a contract. If the company appeals this they are going to tell the NMB that is is still in court and they can't negotiate with usapa until that is done, maybe 2 years.

It should be usapa and you east guys that are upset the company will appeal. This ruling is fine with me. No immunity for the company, strong warning to usapa. If she had said usapa had to use the Nicolau usapa would have appealed. Now they have nothing to appeal they just have to perform. For the last 5 years we have seen piss poor performance from usapa so I expect the same.

It will be the east guys getting angry. usapa told them they have the right but will not be able to get their proposed seniority list past or even to the company. We will have a joint contract with APA implementing the Nicolau before usapa has a chance to do anything.

usapa said they got this. Let's see some actions boys. Where is that proposed seniority list? How about usapa goes ahead and publish that bad boy for all of us to see just how usapa is going to treat all of the pilots they represent fairly.

Show us the list.

 

[Metroyet]

In her order, not only did Judge Silver dismiss the West's request to change the language, she said that as long as USAPA's list serves a legitimate union purpose it does not represent a DFR. I would think that upholding it's own constitution would be a legitimate purpose, or even just the concept of getting a ratifiable contract, as the Ninth itself stipulated would not happen with the Nic as the seniority proposal.

Now that the Union's right to negotiate has been established, I think that any further attempts to restrict those rights through legal action should be met promptly by a SLAPP lawsuit.

Judge Silver blew the West's case right out of the water. Not only no Nic now, but no DFR later! She said so in her ruling. I'm sure that Marty and the Doc will need to pay for their big houses that AOL is finacing, so desperation will be the word of the day.

Why can't you east guys read?

 

[Bill Brasky]

Be that as it may; I feel it's ill-mannered to post what, by definition, is supposedly a private message. I believe doing so is also against the local rules of engagement hereabouts....just sayin'....

That person has no need for any assistance in defining himself in any case. 😉

I didn't ask for a stupid message with profanities and namecalling. Clearly NOT an attempt to incite a normal, honest exchange of personal views. I, myself, made a mistake by calling him a "moron", which is two steps above his real ranking on the intelligence scale, an "idiot".

You are entitled to your opinion, but bullies need to be identified.

 

[EastUS1]

I didn't ask for a stupid message with profanities and namecalling. Clearly NOT an attempt to incite a normal, honest exchange of personal views. I, myself, made a mistake by calling him a "moron", which is two steps above his real ranking on the intelligence scale, an "idiot".

You are entitled to your opinion, but bullies need to be identified.

Fully understood and generally agreed with. I've hardly been charitable to others here at times myself...to say the least. Have a good day folks.

PS: Check your pm inbox, please sir.

 

[Move2CLT]

Indeed. Ponder that a bit further before imagining the nic to be set in stone anywhere....even a dismissed one. It's my honest opinion that the dismissal on ripeness alone just served to give your bunch ample foundation for enduring delusions...as did the sad little circus that was Wake's it's self.

An eastie talking about delusions - now that's funny.

 

[luvthe9]

Show us the list.

Have you reps not told you yet? ask "cactusboy53" and find out what they are hiding from the membership.

 

[Move2CLT]

I didn't ask for a stupid message with profanities and namecalling. Clearly NOT an attempt to incite a normal, honest exchange of personal views. I, myself, made a mistake by calling him a "moron", which is two steps above his real ranking on the intelligence scale, an "idiot".

You are entitled to your opinion, but bullies need to be identified.

And so do idiots. That's my job.

Consider yourself outed.

 

[luvthe9]

An eastie talking about delusions - now that's funny.

Weren't you told to go run along now, you just keep making a fool of yourself. You must be the west version of our CM.

 

[cleardirect]

Have you reps not told you yet? ask "cactusboy53" and find out what they are hiding from the membership.

Are you saying that the proposed list is DOH and usapa has not learned a single thing or taken a single warning from the courts?

Please tell me usapa is going to propose a DOH list. Please make it that easy to win.

 

[luvthe9]

Why can't you east guys read?

We can read fine whereas you on the west can't seem to comprehend IT"S OVER.

 

[EastUS1]

And so do idiots. That's my job.

Indeed? Oh well. All must serve some purpose in life it seems.

 

[luvthe9]

Please tell me usapa is going to propose a DOH list. Please make it that easy to win.

My God son where have you been of couse it's going to be DOH. Everyone knew that, Doug does not care about the list he was able to delay negotiations for years while this went on, it was just a delay tactic on his part. I would be worried about be sold off if I was a westie, Doug will not let you come between him and running the largest airline.

 

[Bill Brasky]

And so do idiots. That's my job.

Consider yourself outed.

Is that the modern version of "I know you are, but what am I?" I knew you guys were young, but I didn't know you were THAT childish. I guess I do now.

Better run along now. Your lawyers are waiting to tell you another fairy tale and wipe your snotty nose.

 

[nic4us]

What a joke you are. Do you really think anyone cares about your meager threats? Spend as much as you want on lawyers and court fees. Not a problem. Read the what Judge Silver said in her judgement, and good luck trying to sue the company. It's very clear from Judge Silver and the Ninth Circuit decision that Nicolau is in no way set in stone as being the only "fair" resolution.

You lost. Suck it up and get over it.

And if you sue again, you will lose again. Get used to it.

Did not lose anything.

We have yet another federal judge issuing a severe warning to usapa.

I simply do not understand how the usapa supporters are so incredibly obtuse as to not understand anything that has happened to date.

Also, Judge Silver explicitly states that usapa inherits the TA, and the accompanying Nic award. Something in direct contrast with usapa's prior assertions, that the Nic is an internal union dispute of the former bargaining agent etc...

So, get a grip already there nyc....go read Silvers warning to usapa again. Pay particular attention to.....

"usapa is on dangerous ground"....."usapa inherits the TA"...."this conclusion place USAirways in a difficult position"...."INDIVIDUALS will be able to determine whether usapa abandonment of the Nic was permissible"...

I really like that last one because this INDIVIDUAL is going to shove the Nic right down the scab hole usapa hides in.