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OCT/NOV 2012 US Pilots Labor Discussion

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EastUS1 said:
To ames as well. The typically punk-princesses-of-the-west responses I see. I've a great deal of respect for General Yeager. He fully deserves it. You and your pathetic little "army" of toy "spartans"?....Not-so-much...T-shirts not withstanding. You're the pitiful little punks attempting to make much of his ego. He deserves some ego. However much he feels appropriate in fact. You don't. Is that clear enough for you cutsie-pie, precious little tykes now?
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You just can't help making an ass of yourself, can you?

PS: That guy you have so much respect for will admit that he has an ego the size of Montana (his words) and thinks I'm a pretty good guy.
 
Ames said:
You just can't help making an ass of yourself, can you?

PS: That guy you have so much respect for will admit that he has an ego the size of Montana (his words) and thinks I'm a pretty good guy.
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He's entitled to both have that ego and say what he wants about it. You aren't.
 
Move2CLT said:
You're so full of ####. You've proved nothing other than you're going senile on your old age.

Take a break.
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Nice try little liar. Read posts 1277-1284, come up with an explanation or argument and get back to us all with it.
 
Yesterday USAPA’s Communication Committee sent an email to members that there was a Special BPR meeting today and tomorrow.

BPR Special Meeting Reminder: October 16, 2012

President Gary Hummel has called a Special BPR Meeting in accordance with the USAPA Constitution and Bylaws, to commence on Wednesday, October 17, 2012, 1000 ET, at the USAPA offices in Charlotte . The meeting will adjourn on Thursday, October 18, at 1700 ET, or the conclusion of business.

The Agenda will be:
  1. Officer Reports
  2. Interview for USAPA’s Investment Banker
  3. Merger Committee Presentation
  4. Closed session discussion with NAC regarding MOU and single contract negotiations

As always, the above is an agenda and the order of the agenda items may not occur in the sequence listed above.

USAPA Communications

This morning at today’s meeting the BPR met with APA President Keith Wilson and the BPR had prepared questions for APA’s president prior to this morning’s meeting, which were placed in a PowerPoint presentation on the wall.

USAPA and the Communications Committee did not have Keith Wilson’s presentation on the Agenda, our union did not inform the pilots of Wilson ’s presentation, and the union obviously had a prepared presentation that they apparently did not want the rank-and-file to know about.

Should USAPA continue to hide information from the pilots, not provide the pilots an accurate Agenda, and have a Communications Committee that does not provide important information to the pilots in a timely manner?

In addition, I understand at today's BPR meeting there was a recall attempt of USAPA President Gary Hummel, which was supported by CLT Domicile Chairman Bill McKee and CLT Vice Chairman Steve Crimi and DeWitt Ingram, but it failed.

Does anybody else have any more information on this or the details on what happened? There has been no information released from the Communications Committee on this significant development. Should the pilots know what's transpiring within our union in regards to such an important event or should we be kept in the dark and allow our Reps to make these type of decisions without rank-and-file input?
 
USA320Pilot said:
Yesterday USAPA’s Communication Committee sent an email to members that there was a Special BPR meeting today and tomorrow.

BPR Special Meeting Reminder: October 16, 2012

President Gary Hummel has called a Special BPR Meeting in accordance with the USAPA Constitution and Bylaws, to commence on Wednesday, October 17, 2012, 1000 ET, at the USAPA offices in Charlotte . The meeting will adjourn on Thursday, October 18, at 1700 ET, or the conclusion of business.

The Agenda will be:
  1. Officer Reports
  2. Interview for USAPA’s Investment Banker
  3. Merger Committee Presentation
  4. Closed session discussion with NAC regarding MOU and single contract negotiations

As always, the above is an agenda and the order of the agenda items may not occur in the sequence listed above.

USAPA Communications

This morning at today’s meeting the BPR met with APA President Keith Wilson and the BPR had prepared questions for APA’s president prior to this morning’s meeting, which were placed in a PowerPoint presentation on the wall.

USAPA and the Communications Committee did not have Keith Wilson’s presentation on the Agenda, our union did not inform the pilots of Wilson ’s presentation, and the union obviously had a prepared presentation that they apparently did not want the rank-and-file to know about.

Should USAPA continue to hide information from the pilots, not provide the pilots an accurate Agenda, and have a Communications Committee that does not provide important information to the pilots in a timely manner?

In addition, I understand at today's BPR meeting there was a recall attempt of USAPA President Gary Hummel, which was supported by CLT Domicile Chairman Bill McKee and CLT Vice Chairman Steve Crimi and DeWitt Ingram, but it failed.

Does anybody else have any more information on this or the details on what happened? There has been no information released from the Communications Committee on this significant development. Should the pilots know what's transpiring within our union in regards to such an important event or should we be kept in the dark and allow our Reps to make these type of decisions without rank-and-file input?
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You got your facts wrong.

It was the PHX reps that brought the resolution to recall Hummel.

Tracy Parella was DDR for Gilles. Pizza the hut was DDR for Crimi.

The resolution FAILED 8-3. Guess who voted to recall and who voted to against?

After all the screaming and yelling from CLT and PHL what happens when they have a chance? They fold under the pressure. They failed to bring the resolution and failed to vote for it. Weak ass leadership.

As you point out usapa comm is hiding information again. No different from the beginning of time. Ask yourself, if comm refuses to give you the information about this. What else are they leaving out or misstating?
 
Ames said:
You're right, that MOU idea is a big stretch but a joint contract with APA is not.
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A JCBA with the APA and USAPA, would not be a JCBA between the East and West. Something not even remotely contemplated by the AAA-AWA ALPA TA. That whole process is about to be totally "steam roller-ed" by today's reality. Not unlike Obama trying to get re-elected by dumping on Bush. Times have changed, moved on, bigger fish to fry and nobody cares who's feelings are hurt. We are talking about HUGE money here, very deep pockets who have lawyers to the moon.

AOL will be facing the legal teams representing the worlds largest Airline AND the lawyers representing the worlds largest Pilots Union, in Dallas not Phoenix. Good luck with that. Do you realize how many peoples jobs you are talking about messing with? I'm not just talking about pilots here. No way in hell, will you be able to get an injunction to stop anything, if this merger is green lighted by "the powers that be"


seajay
 
cleardirect said:
You got your facts wrong.

It was the PHX reps that brought the resolution to recall Hummel.

Tracy Parella was DDR for Gilles. Pizza the hut was DDR for Crimi.

The resolution FAILED 8-3. Guess who voted to recall and who voted to against?

After all the screaming and yelling from CLT and PHL what happens when they have a chance? They fold under the pressure. They failed to bring the resolution and failed to vote for it. Weak ass leadership.

As you point out usapa comm is hiding information again. No different from the beginning of time. Ask yourself, if comm refuses to give you the information about this. What else are they leaving out or misstating?
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I don't have a complete account of the recall debacle, but here are a few "corrections." It was indeed the PHX reps that brought forward the resolution. It was ruled out of order (not on the agenda of a special meeting) by the Chair, but that ruling was overruled by a BPR vote. It was obvious Parella was out for revenge, and she had prepared a substitute amendment which was voted down. Not sure what McKee was doing, but he caved at the end when he saw it would not pass. DeWitt in no way supported any of this action. Borman (DDR Crimi) and McKee were more than happy to work on amendments to the motion, but again, both caved. Don't think Borman (Crimi) had any intention of voting for the recall, but that is only my opinion. All that said, and discounting my account as personally motivated, the East reps stuck together and did the right thing.To put this in context, one of the PHX reps had just called the East pilots "rapists" in front of the APA Chairman. ( I too was surprised at his appearance, I believe it was short notice. The BPR had a list of questions for him, but those might have been prepared a while ago in anticipation of a joint APA/BPR meeting. )Greeter
 
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