OCT/NOV 2012 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[prechilill]

Well, Kasher didn't pay after all, not even 3%. Lmao

 

[Move2CLT]

Hope you easties didn't spend this money!!!! 😀

[background=rgb(245, 245, 245)]Grievance Committee[/background]

[background=rgb(245, 245, 245)]October 24, 2012[/background]
[background=rgb(245, 245, 245)]LOA 93 (3%) Grievance Update[/background]

[background=rgb(245, 245, 245)]Earlier today the Company released its quarterly 10-Q SEC filing in which it asserted that the arbitrator for the LOA 93 matter has issued two decisions in US Airways' favor, regarding both the restoration and the 3% post amendable date raises. Although the Union does not normally disclose arbitrators' opinions when in a draft form, in light of the Company’s disclosure, we believe we have a very unusual and extenuating circumstance which dictates a change in this long standing practice of maintaining strict confidentiality -- for this specific dispute only.[/background]

[background=rgb(245, 245, 245)]Last week, the Parties received a revised draft opinion from Arbitrator Kasher on the restoration of pay rates that the Union believes was due on January 1, 2010, and an additional supplemental opinion on the issue related to the 3% raises which we believe were due each May 1 beyond the amendable date per the Restructuring Agreement.[/background]

[background=rgb(245, 245, 245)]The Grievance Committee has previously disclosed that the Union had not prevailed in the draft opinion from the Arbitrator on the restoration question. The draft opinion on the 3% question provided by the Arbitrator last week is also unfavorable to the Union. The draft opinion on the 3% contains troubling factual errors, inconsistencies, and an apparent misunderstanding of the question raised. In order to preserve the integrity of the process we are not able to provide specific details of the draft at this time, but we have requested an Executive Session with the Arbitrator as a matter of urgency. We know many will have questions, as do we, but we believe it prudent to make every attempt at using the process afforded us in advocating the Union’s position before we disclose any further details. Please understand that we will be unable to expand on the details until the System Board process becomes final.[/background]

[background=rgb(245, 245, 245)]Dave Ciabattoni[/background]
[background=rgb(245, 245, 245)]USAPA Grievance Chairman[/background]

 

[Move2CLT]

By conventional logic, no. But compared to PHX, yeah.

You don't have to keep thanking me.

The point is, Parker and the managers raking in huge bonuses are the only ones winning.

Point is, you guys are losing the most. Even that 3% wet dream you had.

 

[HPearlyretiree]

Point is, you guys are losing the most. Even that 3% wet dream you had.

Looks like the Great Pumpkin disappointed the Easties early this Halloween!

But, they were so sure they were going to win....LOL

 

[prechilill]

Looks like the Great Pumpkin disappointed the Easties early this Halloween!

But, they were so sure they were going to win....LOL

Lmao tonight- how stupid can a collective group be?? I'm amazed.

 

[A320 Driver]

Hope you easties didn't spend this money!!!! 😀

[background=rgb(245, 245, 245)]Grievance Committee[/background]

[background=rgb(245, 245, 245)]October 24, 2012[/background]
[background=rgb(245, 245, 245)]LOA 93 (3%) Grievance Update[/background]

[background=rgb(245, 245, 245)]Earlier today the Company released its quarterly 10-Q SEC filing in which it asserted that the arbitrator for the LOA 93 matter has issued two decisions in US Airways' favor, regarding both the restoration and the 3% post amendable date raises. Although the Union does not normally disclose arbitrators' opinions when in a draft form, in light of the Company’s disclosure, we believe we have a very unusual and extenuating circumstance which dictates a change in this long standing practice of maintaining strict confidentiality -- for this specific dispute only.[/background]

[background=rgb(245, 245, 245)]Last week, the Parties received a revised draft opinion from Arbitrator Kasher on the restoration of pay rates that the Union believes was due on January 1, 2010, and an additional supplemental opinion on the issue related to the 3% raises which we believe were due each May 1 beyond the amendable date per the Restructuring Agreement.[/background]

[background=rgb(245, 245, 245)]The Grievance Committee has previously disclosed that the Union had not prevailed in the draft opinion from the Arbitrator on the restoration question. The draft opinion on the 3% question provided by the Arbitrator last week is also unfavorable to the Union. The draft opinion on the 3% contains troubling factual errors, inconsistencies, and an apparent misunderstanding of the question raised. In order to preserve the integrity of the process we are not able to provide specific details of the draft at this time, but we have requested an Executive Session with the Arbitrator as a matter of urgency. We know many will have questions, as do we, but we believe it prudent to make every attempt at using the process afforded us in advocating the Union’s position before we disclose any further details. Please understand that we will be unable to expand on the details until the System Board process becomes final.[/background]

[background=rgb(245, 245, 245)]Dave Ciabattoni[/background]
[background=rgb(245, 245, 245)]USAPA Grievance Chairman[/background]

Not surprised. Our grievance chairman recently advocated hiring a team of lawyers to fight the company on change of control language in our contract that expired last June.

Wonder how THAT one will turn out. Let's burn up some more cash for nothing. Haven't we figured out by now that Kashir is never going to take our side over the company?

Driver...

 

[A320 Driver]

Lmao tonight- how stupid can a collective group be?? I'm amazed.

Says one of the collective group on ice in PHX...

 

[Move2CLT]

Says one of the collective group on ice in PHX...

But he's not on LOA 93 while on ice.

 

[Move2CLT]

Rigattoni wrote:

[background=rgb(245, 245, 245)]The draft opinion on the 3% contains troubling factual errors, inconsistencies, and an apparent misunderstanding of the question raised.[/background]

Of course it does. You poor, poor victims. No one gets you.

 

[Pi brat]

He understands it just fine. Its you guys who need the tutoring.

Didn't sound like it. He said he was 270 numbers away from upgrading and considering that you guys are overstaffed and not expected to need any more pilots for over a year, I'd say he is short on seniority and, as compared to our F/Os, longevity too!

I didn't catch his first name. That isn't the famous Louie is it?

 

[Pi brat]

Point is, you guys are losing the most.

Ah, so it's the one that loses the less that WINS! You get a Doug Parker tee-shirt for that? Genius, absolute genius.

And on the 3%-you never saw my name predicting a win on that one.

 

[Pi brat]

But he's not on LOA 93 while on ice.

Nope, just stuck in the right seat, making less and working more than the guys beside them on the Nic.

 

[westcoastflyer]

Has USAPA ever really won any court case yet that would improve the lives of the majority of its membership? NO

 

[Move2CLT]

Ah, so it's the one that loses the less that WINS! You get a Doug Parker tee-shirt for that? Genius, absolute genius.

And on the 3%-you never saw my name predicting a win on that one.

No, the one that loses is the one that says "it ain't so bad, we've adjusted to it". Now that's genius.

And since you didn't have your name on that 3%, I assume you didn't spend it. Good on you!! Claxon? Not so much. Luv?

Speaking of Parker gifts, did you get your "I was on LOA 93 for 10 years and all I got was this lousy t-shirt" shirt?

He's also has "Ask me how LOA 93 helped Parker make a $245M profit" if you're interested.

 

[luvn737s]

I hate gloating no matter what side it comes from. How about we just hold a representation election and dump USAPA. Merger or not, we'd be far ahead of where USAPA has taken us.