Strike Now

[operaations]

When I was at EAL, we had a woman that spewed hatrid for the unions and the unionized employees. She said all the same crap that you are saying now. She was intoxicated by the EAL koolaid. Well, one day I saw her on the contract maintanence line with a set of overalls on. She was a secretary but she went and got her Airframe and Powerplant licenses and became an aircraft mechanic for EAL. Obviously, I was shocked. It appears she talked all that crap because she was jealous of the union negotiated wages as compared to what she was making as a secretary. Maybe your situation is very similar to hers.

[post="204580"][/post]​

and where is EAL now. The greedy unions and greedy management shut them down.

 

[aafsc]

and where is EAL now. The greedy unions and greedy management shut them down.

[post="204599"][/post]​

The unionized people at EAL were making LESS than their counterparts at UA, US, AA,etc. At that time EAL was larger than UA or AA before Lorenzo arrived and started to hack it down. He wanted everyone to take a 50% paycut, no benefits (vacation, medical, dental, retirement healthcare and pensions) and very harsh work rules. Instead of letting him and his cronies get very wealthy on our backs, we shut it down. I don't know about you but I would rather not work and be poor rather than work and be poor. No one, including myself, has ANY regrets about shutting it down.

 

[MCI transplant]

The unionized people at EAL were making LESS than their counterparts at UA, US, AA,etc. At that time EAL was larger than UA or AA before Lorenzo arrived and started to hack it down. He wanted everyone to take a 50% paycut, no benefits (vacation, medical, dental, retirement healthcare and pensions) and very harsh work rules. Instead of letting him and his cronies get very wealthy on our backs, we shut it down. I don't know about you but I would rather not work and be poor rather than work and be poor. No one, including myself, has ANY regrets about shutting it down.

[post="204643"][/post]​

<_< aafsc------We at TWA had our own run in with Lorenzo! We choose Uncle Carl to counter that! Looking at it now, from a personal viewpoint, it wasn't one of our better ideas!!!!But at the time, we were between a rock, and a hardspot! We took the lesser of what we felt was two evils!!!! And ended up part of a.a.!

 

[Drippy Quill]

Actually...had we, the IAM, accepted Meyers' initial offer we would have been $$$$ ahead and NO ICAHN. However, no one takes an initial offering...

 

[aafsc]

<_< aafsc------We at TWA had our own run in with Lorenzo! We choose Uncle Carl to counter that! Looking at it now, from a personal viewpoint, it wasn't one of our better ideas!!!!But at the time, we were between a rock, and a hardspot! We took the lesser of what we felt was two evils!!!! And ended up part of a.a.!

[post="204679"][/post]​

MCI, funny you should bring that up because when the unions at EAL were looking to line up a buyer to buy EAL from Lorenzo, they approached Icahn (who at this time owned TWA). The story goes that a deal was made between Icahn and Lorenzo to sell EAL to Icahn. Supposedly, when it came time to close the deal, Icahn was present but Lorenzo was not; he was skiing. But if Lorenzo had gotten hold of TWA, he would have bled it's assets dry by transferring them to his low wage Continental (like he did EAL's) and he would have demanded that you work for 50% less with no benefits (like he did at EAL). In a strange way, you and I were both Lorenzo victims and now both you and I are at AA.

 

[Garfield1966]

The unionized people at EAL were making LESS than their counterparts at UA, US, AA,etc. At that time EAL was larger than UA or AA before Lorenzo arrived and started to hack it down. He wanted everyone to take a 50% paycut, no benefits (vacation, medical, dental, retirement healthcare and pensions) and very harsh work rules. Instead of letting him and his cronies get very wealthy on our backs, we shut it down. I don't know about you but I would rather not work and be poor rather than work and be poor. No one, including myself, has ANY regrets about shutting it down.

[post="204643"][/post]​

See, that's the part that just gets my blood boiling. If you would rather not work and be poor, that is your decision. When you make that decision on my behalf is where you cross the line. You have no right to do that. I will make that decision on my on according to my own needs and circumstances. You are more than welcome to quite and find an alternate source of income but don't you dare assume that I give you the right to determine how I lead my life or who I choose to work for or for how much. That is my decision and my decision alone.

This is the perfect example of union mentality that I despise so much. You seem to think you are the protector. I do not want your kind of protection. I choose to make my own decisions.

 

[The Dissident]

and where is EAL now. The greedy unions and greedy management shut them down.

[post="204599"][/post]​

How wrong you are. EAL was shut down because management felt it was prudent to falsify maint records so they could line their pockets with a little extra money. Because of this they recieved the largest fine in the history of aviation and were unable to pay which essentially shut them down.

 

[Bear96]

See, that's the part that just gets my blood boiling. If you would rather not work and be poor, that is your decision. When you make that decision on my behalf is where you cross the line. You have no right to do that.

[post="204945"][/post]​

If you can't deal with it, then why on Earth did you choose to work in such a heavily unionized industry?

 

[MCI transplant]

MCI, funny you should bring that up because when the unions at EAL were looking to line up a buyer to buy EAL from Lorenzo, they approached Icahn (who at this time owned TWA). The story goes that a deal was made between Icahn and Lorenzo to sell EAL to Icahn. Supposedly, when it came time to close the deal, Icahn was present but Lorenzo was not; he was skiing. But if Lorenzo had gotten hold of TWA, he would have bled it's assets dry by transferring them to his low wage Continental (like he did EAL's) and he would have demanded that you work for 50% less with no benefits (like he did at EAL). In a strange way, you and I were both Lorenzo victims and now both you and I are at AA.

[post="204802"][/post]​

<_< aafsc---- I've heard that story also! But in the version I heard, it was Continental that Icahn wanted!! And yes, you could say we have something in commen!!!

 

[MCI transplant]

<_< aafsc---- I've heard that story also! But in the version I heard, it was Continental that Icahn wanted!! And yes, you could say we have something in commen!!!

[post="204998"][/post]​

<_< I hear tell, that Icahn also concedered buying a.a. at that time also! Now that would have been a kick in the paints, now wouldn't it???? 😛

 

[Bob Owens]

See, that's the part that just gets my blood boiling. If you would rather not work and be poor, that is your decision. When you make that decision on my behalf is where you cross the line. You have no right to do that. I will make that decision on my on according to my own needs and circumstances. You are more than welcome to quite and find an alternate source of income but don't you dare assume that I give you the right to determine how I lead my life or who I choose to work for or for how much. That is my decision and my decision alone.

This is the perfect example of union mentality that I despise so much. You seem to think you are the protector. I do not want your kind of protection. I choose to make my own decisions.

[post="204945"][/post]​

So let me ask you something, Do you make $1million a year? Why not, do you mean you choose to work for less than $1million? Boy, you are a dummy! Is your decision to not get paid $1 million a year really "yours and yours alone" or did the company really make the decision of what they were going to pay you? Your choice being "take it or leave it"?

You should go become an associate at Walmart. Then you would not have to worry about unions.

 

[Oneflyer]

I would rather not work and be poor rather than work and be poor. No one, including myself, has ANY regrets about shutting it down.

With this type of attitude, its no wonder all you've ever done is throw bags. Face it, you're a monkey with a boss and you're bitter.

 

[Oneflyer]

Is your decision to not get paid $1 million a year really "yours and yours alone" or did the company really make the decision of what they were going to pay you? Your choice being "take it or leave it"?

Its amazing that in this country there are millions of people in good paying jobs that aren't in unions. Listening to you would make one think that everyone not in a union worked at Walmart. If unions are so great, why does membership continue to decline nationwide? I forgot, management is stupid, oh but wait the US GNP continues to grow every year. So how does the economy grow if everyone making the decisions is stupid? Maybe its because their not stupid, but that unions are fundamentally flawed. There goal being to increase employement by making their workers less productive, puting them at a cometitive disadvantage to everyone else. Thus reducing profits, forcing management to cut costs, which means slashing payroll, unions get bitter, work less productively, company becomes unprofitable, and ultimately goes out of business. Union member is stuck at local bar or internet forum talking about the "good old days" and raving about how stupid management is even though they're really to blame.

 

[Garfield1966]

So let me ask you something, Do you make $1million a year? Why not, do you mean you choose to work for less than $1million? Boy, you are a dummy! Is your decision to not get paid $1 million a year really "yours and yours alone" or did the company really make the decision of what they were going to pay you? Your choice being "take it or leave it"?

You should go become an associate at Walmart. Then you would not have to worry about unions.

[post="205009"][/post]​

Not sure what your point is but I do not have a skill set that would justify me getting 1 million a year. For lack of a better description, I just fell into working for AA. It is a choice I made. I chose to work in the position I am currently for the salary I currently earn. When and if the time ever comes that I feel I can earn a better living somewhere else then I will weigh my options and make that choice as well.

Of course the company was the one who made the choice what compensation for my position would be. Yes it was a take it or leave it. I do not have a skill set that affords me the negotiation power to request a salary. The final decision was mine to accept the position or to move on.

I have no problems with unions in and of them selves. I do become very annoyed when they impose their demands and gripes on me with out my permission. You have no right to make that decision for me. You have commandeered that ability by shear force and I do not agree with that.

I have no urge to work for Wal-Mart. I chose and I choose to work for AA. If you feel you are being under compensated then you are free to find alternate employment. Please do not expect that people in my position give you our blessing to jeopardize our livelihoods.

 

[aafsc]

With this type of attitude, its no wonder all you've ever done is throw bags. Face it, you're a monkey with a boss and you're bitter.

[post="205021"][/post]​

Your talking like someone with a paper ####. You know absolutely nothing about me. FYI, I am highly educated. But the reason I work the ramp is because of the flexibility. On the ramp we have people who in their day jobs are lawyers, cops, judges, and teachers. There are rampers that I worked with that were accountants, chemist (for DuPont), and even a former airline pilot. We have one person who is getting laid off (former TWA) who started something on the side and is doing very very well. If the compensation continues it's decline, and/or the flexibility disappers then I will go into the field I majored in. I was very young at EAL and the EAL situation motivated me to get an education. But you are a bitter non-unionized a$$kisser in a dead end job at AA.