Unionization

[Awa Contract]

and you have had our history and position explained to you many time and yet seem unable to grasp the facts - instead you make statements about other airlines and past history of fifty years ago and in other industries - it is you that doesn't deal with facts and information in the real world and you continue to spread information that has just a touch of truth in the mix. I have explained the outsourcing issue at the west many times but talking to you about this issue is like talking to a brick. IBT did not loose work - your IAM did. (insert your canned response here)

 

[Mr Eagle]

and you have had our history and position explained to you many time and yet seem unable to grasp the facts - instead you make statements about other airlines and past history of fifty years ago and in other industries - it is you that doesn't deal with facts and information in the real world and you continue to spread information that has just a touch of truth in the mix. I have explained the outsourcing issue at the west many times but talking to you about this issue is like talking to a brick. IBT did not loose work - your IAM did. (insert your canned response here)

Yes & To Add A little Info Repeated, AWA After the Black friday Layoff, Had approximately 200+ mechanic's & now we have More than 800+, So If you are correct then we should have lost Job's Not added Mechanic's. It is the Number's Stupid that People Look @ Not IAM BS. People Are not SHEEP anymore (Following Blindly), they Are Inquisitive & Have A Mind they USE & Can Make There own Conclusion's with out The IAM BS. MWW

 

[delldude]

Yes & To Add A little Info Repeated, AWA After the Black friday Layoff, Had approximately 200+ mechanic's & now we have More than 800+, So If you are correct then we should have lost Job's Not added Mechanic's. It is the Number's Stupid that People Look @ Not IAM BS. People Are not SHEEP anymore (Following Blindly), they Are Inquisitive & Have A Mind they USE & Can Make There own Conclusion's with out The IAM BS. MWW

so in your vaunted heyday you've increased your mechanic headcount from 200 now somewhere near 800+.....great.

like I said before.....IAM was dealt a plate full of bullcrap and it was due to mismanagements deeds.faced with a situation,they did the best they could to preserve jobs...but we've digressed this point too much and its apparent you guys swoon over short term gain.

we've had boo-coup contracts over the years and some were quite tasty so too speak....I voted on at least three if not four contracts...how bout you?how many have you at AWA had the honor and priveldge to participate in?
what...one??

and you have the audacity to try to belittle anything IAM has proffered over the years based on your lame first attempt at unionism?

I applaud you at coming into the fold......but don't try to compare your first contract and its limited gains to anything IAM has had over the years.

and something you must never ever forget....U's targeted concessionary agreement was based almost entirely on your contract with IBT,so there must have been some weakness seen that was exploitable for U management.

face the fact that we at U still have more in house work than you at IBT and also have a far superior number of mech's working....even though they've been through some tough times.

 

[Mr Eagle]

so in your vaunted heyday you've increased your mechanic headcount from 200 now somewhere near 800+.....great.

like I said before.....IAM was dealt a plate full of bullcrap and it was due to mismanagements deeds.faced with a situation,they did the best they could to preserve jobs...but we've digressed this point too much and its apparent you guys swoon over short term gain.

we've had boo-coup contracts over the years and some were quite tasty so too speak....I voted on at least three if not four contracts...how bout you?how many have you at AWA had the honor and priveldge to participate in?
what...one??

and you have the audacity to try to belittle anything IAM has proffered over the years based on your lame first attempt at unionism?

I applaud you at coming into the fold......but don't try to compare your first contract and its limited gains to anything IAM has had over the years.

and something you must never ever forget....U's targeted concessionary agreement was based almost entirely on your contract with IBT,so there must have been some weakness seen that was exploitable for U management.

face the fact that we at U still have more in house work than you at IBT and also have a far superior number of mech's working....even though they've been through some tough times.

GREAT post Delldude. I appreciate your Patriotizm. Thanks for the Input I know You have Put Up with alot of crap.My hats off to you & All the Brother's Many of us could not & would not have put up with HALF of the Situations you all have endured.I was With Braniff & Before that I was With PHI Petroleum Helicopter's,NON union shop. Keep up the Post's We need your input. I Will Be POsting Along with you Brother We will get through & on to the other side.
MWW

 

[700UW]

IBT did not loose work

And you did not gain the heavy checks or all of line maintenance.

Your contract permits all heavy to be outsourced and line maintenance to scheduled and performed at non-mtc stations, you ibt did not gain back the work, weak. Just like all the ibt contracts lead the industry in outsourcing.

Once again you ignore the facts.

And the only reason you gained AMTs back was because the FAA levied the largest fine against HP and was going to shut the place down if they did not get the maintenance under control.

 

[Awa Contract]

BOTTOM LINE -- We did not get back work lost prior to the IBT on property BUT -- the IAM lost its members WORK,WAGES, and BENEFITS. that is the bottom line - now insert your canned response of not my fault

 

[700UW]

You gained not work, and we still do more work on the east side in-house then you ever did.

And once again are you that narrow minded you can't comprehend what it took to lower our CBA which is still better then yours.

The ibt should change thier name to the DODGERS since you can never answer a question asked of you nor explain things.

 

[brown]

Are you not capable of learning what happened?

I and many others have explained to you exactly what happened and yet you fail to grasp it.

The IAM face with many challenges did the best they could, ultimatly it was up to the members.

Yes once again you are a typical ibter and fail to respond to any questions poised to you about why the ibt has failed its AMTs in regards to outsourcing.

I know I would not want someone who keeps dodging the truth from representing me.

Again genius, it should have never been brought back for a second vote!!! Are you incapable of putting down the IAM kool-aid for an hour? How much do they pay you?
I am sorry for being a typical IBT'er, I guess I will have to take my $ 43.89 per hr and my three day work week and give it back to the company as the IAM did ha??? Heck even our stock clerks are in the 23.00 per hr range??

 

[brown]

You gained not work, and we still do more work on the east side in-house then you ever did.

And once again are you that narrow minded you can't comprehend what it took to lower our CBA which is still better then yours.

The ibt should change thier name to the DODGERS since you can never answer a question asked of you nor explain things.

Rather a Dodger than a TWICE VOTER!!!

 

[Awa Contract]

Your members know the truth that is why you can do all the twist and half truths that you wish - they know the IAM has failed them and thier families. Now we can only hope that they find the nerve to stand up against the IAM and rid themselves of it, if not now then in the near future.

Talk about dodging - what happened you said the stock clerks would never be removed - and your own union must agree with the NMB since there was no objection filed. Were you WRONG?

 

[700UW]

The board made their decision, and why do you have to change the subject instead of admitting your ibt failed the mechanics as all your contracts in the industry lead any other union in outsourcing?

And you wonder why people dont want you to represent them.

 

[Awa Contract]

not wanting people to represent them? you must be looking in the mirror. Is that why the cards were signed - is that why dell says the attitude is they would rather be nonunion. I have had 5 years of the IAM and that is why I say decertification is better than the IAM - The IAM is the industry leader in giving the company what they want - your lack of leadership has cost your membership more than most in these hard times and yet you still yell thier praises, Your days are numbered, your membership has had enough. The phone calls to your membership tell that most will vote against you. your leaders are afraid to meet in a debate, cowards will not prevail in this struggle. This is only a battle - if not successful now the issue will arrise again soon, that I promise. That is why this is one of your last strongholds and it is slipping away. your union has already lost in eyes of the membership, we were gaining numbers and increasing inhouse work slowly while the IAM was giving it away. The numbers speak for thierselves. How many thousands need you fail to support before you admit your failure, How many families must you disappoint before you open your eyes. Look at how you have failed - how many stock clerks out of work now, you have only done a good job if you are looking at the situation from the company's point of view. The IAM does not deserve anymore chances to make matters worse for this work group.

 

[700UW]

I hope the FAA does not pop you for a drug test, funny if you had enough cards why has the NMB not declared an election?

Guess you can't understand two bankruptcies in less then two years, yet we still accomplish more work then you do.

The ibt gave concessions at CO without bankruptcy, every ibt mechanic and related contracts allows unlimited outsourcing of heavy maintenance.

Even with all the layoffs we still have more employees working, the ibt is a failure in the maintenance area.

Once again you try to deflect the issue instead of acknowledging the ibt's shortcoming in your own cba and others.

 

[Awa Contract]

You are putting word in my post that were not there - I did NOT say we had enough- learn to read - I just said they signed cards, what a maroon. I have grown very tired of your talking of other airlines - were are here and now. Quit blaming everyone but the IAM for failing to negociate something respectable for the employees or the employees for voting twice. The IAM LEAD them into this mess - that you can twist and lie anyway you want but that is the bottom line. We were gaining in numbers which means jobs while you were giving both jobs and pay away and your management was smiling all the way to the bank to cash thier bonus checks while your membership was filing for unemployment. Yes you did a good job - supporting management.

 

[320tech]

And you did not gain the heavy checks or all of line maintenance.

"When we signed our 1st contract we had 4 stations with mx in them (Phx,Las,Lax,Cmh.) now weve opened Bwi,Phl,Atl,Dfw,Sna,San,Sea. did I miss any? so there again you don't have your facts mr 700!

Your contract permits all heavy to be outsourced and line maintenance to scheduled and performed at non-mtc stations, you ibt did not gain back the work, weak. Just like all the ibt contracts lead the industry in outsourcing.

Once again you ignore the facts.

And the only reason you gained AMTs back was because the FAA levied the largest fine against HP and was going to shut the place down if they did not get the maintenance under control.
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All I can say its a good thing you guys didn't have Bill Franke running your airline! it would have been out of buisness. so lets talk about poor mngt running your airline and thats the blame.