US IAM Fleet Service topic 15Jul-

[roabilly]

The company cuts jobs.

The supposed union members attack each other.

The company cuts jobs.

The active union members educate each other.

 

[freedom]

If anything can be learned from this I just wish that maybe some of you would actually listen to some of the
veterans of this industry . and quite thinking we are trying to bully you around . We told you this was going to happen and it has . this ain't our first rodeo. So now this is the bed the membership voted on and ratified so live with it.

Dog,
before you start flaming . I will not be attacking anyone else. But for the love of G*d . the Hypocrisy of some is sometimes just to much to stand by and let go.

that is all .
How bout them O's ... there's always next year or maybe the next or probably not.

Sorry O man but that song and dance is getting a little old now ...

if you want to get into an " i told you so " match then i think i win hands down here ...

i told you that if we waited for a new contract that " on dec 31 2009 there would be lines of people streching around the block to take our jobs "

and i also told you far in advance of any news paper , tv show or main stream economist that " the us economy was going to go down the tubes "

i might further remind you of something jester wrote that has always rumbled around the back of my mind ...

in regard to the contract he once said something to the extent that " i'd rather make these wages on the higher pay scale because if us airways goes under at least i'll get more in unemployment pay "

o-man i think your living in some happy place where us airways can't shut down for good ... we will rexamine that happy place when our company annouces our Q2 results .....

 

[bagchucker]

Reading theHub's FAQ's yesterday, it states that there are positions in the system for all the Fleet employees affected. Really?!? Would like to see that list of vacancies.

 

[Harry Callahan]

For sure Clt & PHL openings...."Doing it on my knees" I hope you are ready to come to Clt.

 

[ChockJockey]

The active union members educate each other.

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Mmm...pour me some of that good stuff...

 

[roabilly]

I don't participate in the union because it creeps me out the same way religion does.

Obey
Collect
Preach
Shun non-believers
Rinse
Repeat

It's funny, thinking back on it now, but this is the first job I've ever had where all of my hard work, extra effort, attentiveness, and job skills have amounted to exactly jack squat. Here mediocrity is rewarded just the same as magnificence. Sorry, I'm not that interested in getting that ol' time UNIONISM in me if it means participating in a group that forces stagnation upon itself and then claims, in the name of the working man and the middle class, that it's being attacked and oppressed.

I hear yahh Mr. Jockey!

(Like yer Graphic on yer last post above ...good job!)

Now... let’s address your opinion of Unionism as stated above.

First... let’s break this down into real simple segments so that everyone can follow. I’m certain that you are intelligent enough to understand that this is a UNION thread. That is why it is entitled IAM FLEET SERVICE!

Now that we have determined, and agreed upon the content of this thread, let’s now address why someone, that is... ‘any’ individual would be drawn into this forum. Especially... when these individuals go to the trouble of creating screen names and begin to post lengthy tirades.

Now... let’s review the content of the posts in this thread, both present and past. I have been in and out of this forum for over one year. The reason I gravitate to this thread is simple... I am an IAM Union Member who works in Fleet Service! If you research the archives on my past posts, you will see a pattern! That pattern is that I have consistently posted pro-union information for IAM Fleet Members!

Now... for the most perplexing segment of this little experiment! I have observed another pattern! WHY do certain posters whom have repeatedly denounced the IAM and Unionism as a whole come into this forum? Perhaps some of you guys will be willing to answer this question in a concise, truthful, and candid revelation for all to read here in this open arena!

So... here goes... I ask why? WHY do you bother to spend your valuable time to enter an Organized Labor thread, read the posts, and respond to them when you do not believe in, or practice Unionism? Wouldn’t it be better if you created your own forum? Something like...†Fleet Workers Against The IAM†or... “Airline Employees Against Organized Labor� Or... even better yet.. why not seek employment in a non-union sector?

That way... you could trade anti-union posts, and denounce all things related to Organized Labor with each other! Instead... you choose to come here... a flagged organized labor thread for Airline Employees time... and time again!

Can you explain this phenomenon? I’m pretty sure that I can... and you know the answer as well as me!

P.S. This is not an “attack†as I have been accused of in previous responses... this is to ferret out friend from foe! Ante up boys... tha cards are ontha table!!

BroBilly

 

[ChockJockey]

Now... let’s review the content of the posts in this thread, both present and past. I have been in and out of this forum for over one year. The reason I gravitate to this thread is simple... I am an IAM Union Member who works in Fleet Service!

Coincidentally, I'm an IAM union member (no choice) and I also happen to work fleet service.

Now... for the most perplexing segment of this little experiment! I have observed another pattern! WHY do certain posters whom have repeatedly denounced the IAM and Unionism as a whole come into this forum? Perhaps some of you guys will be willing to answer this question in a concise, truthful, and candid revelation for all to read here in this open arena!

I'm not denouncing unionism, and I'm not anti-union, though you'd happily brand me as such just because I don't fall in line and take the party position. I've stated on here previously that I'm glad I'm in a union shop and that I greatly appreciate and respect the efforts and volunteerism of our front-line union leaders here in PHX. The same goes for those of you here that hold stewardship or other positions within the union that have you in daily contact with the membership and their concerns; it's commendable that your beliefs have you so motivated...

So... here goes... I ask why? WHY do you bother to spend your valuable time to enter an Organized Labor thread, read the posts, and respond to them when you do not believe in, or practice Unionism? Wouldn’t it be better if you created your own forum? Something like...â€￾ Fleet Workers Against The IAMâ€￾ or... “Airline Employees Against Organized Laborâ€￾? Or... even better yet.. why not seek employment in a non-union sector?

Good question. Nowhere in the Subject heading of this thread does it indicate that this is a necessarily "pro-union" or "pro-IAM" thread. Not all of the topics discussed here involve the union at all. Should these also be omitted? Let's be frank with ourselves and admit that one of the little joys of coming here is getting ourselves riled up at what the idiots on the other side are actually thinking. Can we do that?

What does get to me about some of the union fanatics on here is their unwavering belief that their way is the only way, chastising and ridiculing all others without even possibly trying to understand why the people that disagree with them have the opinions they do. Why should I undertake solidarity with any group that is still mind-boggled as to why so many people voted for the last TA and still takes every opportunity to denounce their "brothers" whose only crime was voting for what they thought would be best for them and their families?

Why should I listen to y'all and drink from the fountain of your wisdom when you still want to spit on me and call me a sell-out and a traitor because I voted YES? Just because you lack the cognitive brain power to realize that my life, opinions, background, priorities, history, goals, work ethic, mindset and dreams are so different from yours we're condemned to your never-ending moans of self-righteousness and self-pity?

So until y'all have the wherewithal and huevos to come out and say you can respect my vote and understand my reasons for voting as I did while still politely disagreeing with me, I have no reason to think you have any real concern for what happens to anybody in the West until they come to you grovelling and repenting their ways and start ba-a-a-ahing the party line. And that's not going to happen.

That way... you could trade anti-union posts, and denounce all things related to Organized Labor with each other! Instead... you choose to come here... a flagged organized labor thread for Airline Employees time... and time again!

To date, none of the moderators have had any contention with the attitudes, ideas, or suggestions I've yet posted in any of the IAM Fleet Service threads. Maybe you can take this up with them?

Can you explain this phenomenon? I’m pretty sure that I can... and you know the answer as well as me!

What exactly is it you want me to tell you here? That I'm some kind of management goon sitting in a cubicle in Tempe craftily plotting the downfall of the IAM by perpetuating petty, idiotic arguments on the internet? Or maybe you can enlighten me, since you're so sure you know? If you think you've got me figured out I'd invite you to take a crack at it just so I can see how well you can correctly guess the wacky series of events that landed my boots on the ground in PHX.

I come to this forum because it gives a unique opportunity to hear from people in different positions system-wide. I wanted to see first hand what the "East" opinion is/was on these issues and even though we keep going back and forth I do still think it's productive because at least now we're talking to each other instead of just operating off of assumptions...

P.S. This is not an “attackâ€￾ as I have been accused of in previous responses... this is to ferret out friend from foe! Ante up boys... tha cards are ontha table!!

Verily they are, but this table sits upon the deck of a sinking ship. In a number of months all this discussion may be very moot indeed...

 

[goodfellow]

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Mmm...pour me some of that good stuff...

You are no doubt pro management and if not should be related to The east people of fleet service are career minded in this industrie. We simply need all to be one. With the cancer you preach you and your kind create the walls of division that do nothing but divide the membership and weaken the majority! Find a cob that suits your misfit ideas and join the darkside!!!! I promise you will have to PAY!

 

[mike33]

Coincidentally, I'm an IAM union member (no choice) and I also happen to work fleet service.

I think what happens here are insertions of words that lead people to believe something one way or another. Why use the " NO CHOICE " term as it insinuates something other than what you write?

"ORGANIZE, EDUCATE & PARTICIPATE IN MAKING YOUR MEMBERSHIP STONGER BY REMEMBERING WHERE WE HAVE BEEN AND SHARING THAT INFORMATION WITH OTHERS".

Workers have a right to a just wage. Labor is not simply a commodity traded on the open market nor is it a just wage determined simply by the level the market will sustain. Every working person has the right to secure a better life.

It is one of the consequences of the way power is distributed in a free-market economy that employers frequently possess greater bargaining power than employees in the negotiation of wage agreements. Such unequal power often presses workers into a choice between inadequate wage and no wage at all. The provision of a wage sufficient to support a family in dignity is necessary to prevent the exploitation of workers. The dignity of workers also requires adequate health care, insurance for old age or disability and healthy work environments, rest and periodic holidays.

Unions provide an institutional means to these guarantees. Their purpose is to secure rights to fair wage and working conditions. As a union, we make progress together, by pooling our strengths.

Corporate interests have powerful political lobbyists, which buy and manipulate legislation to protect their interests. As a union we are in politics through our Community Action, not as a matter of choice, but out of necessity.

I think the so-called " East " persona is missunderstood due to the fact that the company its self see all of us that way. It is up to us to change that because Usairways won't do it for us.

All of the " I Told You So " is simply bore out of frustration and nothing else I believe.

 

[goodfellow]

Mike33, thanks for saying what I should of. for those I offended my apologies. I sincerely care about all our members inclusive of those I do not agree with, I cannot help but wear my heart on my sleave. AS opposed of comments by the Freedoms and Jesters's and Jockey's I hear their concerns, yet I do not agree, respectfully. GF

 

[roabilly]

Quote: “Coincidentally, I'm an IAM union member (no choice) and I also happen to work fleet service.â€
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Thanks for your well thought out responses. I see a common thread now that runs through your attitude as well as few others on here... resentment. Dudes... the T/A is history let it go! It was voted in by the majority of the membership and that majority includes the east as well as the west!

The division that is perpetuated by repeated denunciation of Organized Labor is counter productive to the very mechanism that makes it ‘organized’!

I’m pretty certain you are intelligent enough to understand, and execute this mindset while knowing full well what responses you will receive!

Now... to address your “choiceâ€... since you stated you were an IAM member because you have no choice. I find this argument completely ludicrous! You have a myriad of choices... the most obvious is to simply seek employment in non-union position or occupation! You could have typed a heck of resume for just such a position in the time you spend on here!

P.S. Ya’ll gone ‘n riled Good Fellow ‘n O-Man up... this could be interesting! ''33" That is one of the best posts I've read on here to date!

 

[bagchucker]

Your post is well put 33! Whether you agree with unions or not, working in the transportation industry necessitates having a union. Not having one only allows Corporate to push you around and arbitrarily dictate how things are gonna be.

 

[doing it on my knees]

For sure Clt & PHL openings...."Doing it on my knees" I hope you are ready to come to Clt.

Oh you know it! I'm on vacation right now. The headchopping meeting in ICT is July 21. I get back there on the 23rd and fill out my bid packet for CLT. I feel terrible for my co-workers, but being that CLT was one of the stations open to bid into, this really works in my favor. I can be in CLT as early as SEPT.

 

[Harry Callahan]

Oh you know it! I'm on vacation right now. The headchopping meeting in ICT is July 21. I get back there on the 23rd and fill out my bid packet for CLT. I feel terrible for my co-workers, but being that CLT was one of the stations open to bid into, this really works in my favor. I can be in CLT as early as SEPT.

We look foward to having you

 

[Ramp Rogue]

Oh you know it! I'm on vacation right now. The headchopping meeting in ICT is July 21. I get back there on the 23rd and fill out my bid packet for CLT. I feel terrible for my co-workers, but being that CLT was one of the stations open to bid into, this really works in my favor. I can be in CLT as early as SEPT.

'doing it on my knees',

What other stations are open to bid into?

Rogue