US IAM Fleet Service topic 15Jul-

[Dog Wonder]

3. Education will not save you.

It would if you tried it.

 

[Jester]

Dave, OOOps I'm sorry Jester

Exactly what could you bring to a job out side of the supply room passing out wands. If it wasn't for your boy Mendenhall to set you up with such a couch y job you and your broken back would have to be out on that hot tarmac throwing bags. Funny I do believe a while back a more FIT and HEALTHY jester spewing how much he enjoyed loading bags alone and he loved this job for the physical activity. But know if you fart the wrong way you throw your back out. REMEMBER ONE THING "The truth shall set you Free" come on jester come out of the supply room and back to the real world of loading airplanes. Gee I thought at one time you despised John . Funny how Pancakes flip

O-man,

While Dave is a fine man, I can most assure you that I am not him, nor have ever I worked in the supply room or have ever suffered a distressed vertebre. While nothing makes me happier at work than short stacking alone an Airbus, as I giggle along with some mocking cries of "Work Safe... wah!," coupled with thoughts of you, My Dear Gentle Mr. Roabilly, and "Looking for Mr. Goodfellow" run through my mind, I do not think it bears frequent repeating of my glee within this board... at least, according to the Mods, for which I humbly accept in the spirit of their magnanimous generosity in allowing me into this forum.

I keep hearing about "The Truth Shall Set You Free"... which "Truth" might that be? The "Truth" that when Braniff closed their fleet service union did not save their jobs or their pay? The "Truth" that Pan Am fleet service agents took a haircut when few of them possessed any education or job skills regardless of their union? The "Truth" that when Eastern cratered as it was "too big to fail," at least, that's what the unions were telling their members. Which "Truth", Mr. O-man, might you be referring? If US closes tomorrow, the IAM leadership will be picking their collective asses for answers, and you will be the one suffering mightly the consequences... that's the "Truth". Now do you feel "Free"?

So Sets Jester.

 

[700UW]

Unions dont run companies, nor do they close them down, if you educated yourself the IAM has been on US East property since 1949 representing the mechanic and related and then in 1995 becoming the representatives for fleet.

The IAM took concessions in 92, for M&R, to save the company, negotiated in 94 to save the company once again, but they did not pass as the BA investment happened and the AFA voted theirs down.

M&R went from 1995 till 1999 without a new CBA, I call that concessions, then fleet took 4 years to get a cba then we all took three rounds of concessions in two bankruptcies.

Seems to me the IAM has stepped up to the plate to try and save US numerous times and Management keeps failing.

Just the facts.

 

[robbedagain]

agreed there 700 it has long been mis managed by a bunch of corporate idiots who dont have a clue how to run an airline. read something the other day that CO is very financially well and SWA is making profits why cant US get it straight? look no further than the goons running the airline right into a cemetery

 

[roabilly]

O man, Richard Block the arbitrator for the healthcare issue will be rulling any time. He is a little tardy with the rulling. The Attendance issue is continuing with an Arbitrator and date chosen shortly. The leadership including PDGC Delaney are meeting with corporate over multiple issues affecting the membership. This meeting and issues adressed will be comunicated to the membership in the next 2 weeks. Thanks for your patience GF

Goodfellow...

Thanks for the update regarding arbitration. Most readers on here probably have no idea how lengthy and arduous these cases are. The Company pushes just about every single issue into arbitration in hopes that the Union is forced to either give-up...or run out of money! They will spend multiple times more than a grievance is worth just to bog us down, and place financial restraints on us! This is the nature of business in this era!

Thanks for your contributions to the effort and cause of this Membership! True leaders such as you... have emerged on the necessity of redirecting our organization! Your resolve will be needed in the very near future... thanks for all you guys do!

 

[roabilly]

BF,

My primary weapon would be harsh language backed-up by a forked tongue with wit sharper than a serpent's tooth (with apologies to Shakespeare).

So Forewarns Jester.

Your words... not mine!

Don’t fergit yer lil’ challenge... I ain’t gonna let it go till yahh respond in earnest... thread after thread!

Yer lil' southern buddy...

BroBilly

 

[freedom]

Your best buddy will be your education and job skills... the IAM isn't going to save your job or your salary if US closes tomorrow. It isn't going to save your job if your seniority isn't high enough to hold a line when the cuts are made.

If, for whatever reason, you lost your job tomorrow... realistically, what could you make, assuming there is even a decent economy? That, My Dear Mr. Roadabilly, is the question you should ask yourself. I can most assure you that the most fervent supporters of the IAM are those people who are most vulnerable to a 50% pay cut should that reckoning come, as clinging to an IAM life line because that is all they will allow themselves to achieve. It smells of desperation... as well it should.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pj1mUk04_ho...DEF&index=3

We will now return to the regularly scheduled programming of Doctor Who and IAM Groupthink Lovefest now in progress...

So Denounces Jester.

Eh I gotta side with Roa on this one …

I’m learning about a different way of living … and part of that new way involves saying NO …Sometimes enough is enough and you just have to get intransient and say NO MORE ….

I think for a long time we’ve had communication problems between the east and the west sides of our union …While we on the west are more open minded , our counter parts on the east tend to be more closed minded (and intransient ) …

I used to think being closed minded was a bad thing … now I’m starting to see the virtue in it …While I don’t think our current union leadership on the national level can save us … I believe that we US Airways workers can indeed save ourselves , because if we don’t do it , who will ?

There aren’t any jobs out there for about 90% of our workers (all us airways employees) ..So It’s time for us to make our last stand … The buck stops here …

Roa is also right about the Fat cats on wall street …What do they know ? NOTHING , their fools … and I can assure you they WILL try and get in our way …We are the hard working men and women of the United States , it is on OUR shoulders that this country continues …Like the others on here have said , for too long wall street has stripped our country of the tools it needs to survive … we’ve been spoon fed this compete to survive garbage and we’ve been set one against the other for table crumbs …

The only way the “common†folk will ever have a chance is with unions , with unions like ours … while I don’t agree with everything the IAM does , I do take pride in being part of an organization that has plentiful amounts of people willing to stand up for their fellow man and woman .. It is the PEOPLE who provide the strength of the union…

Wall street’s day is ending , and ours is just beginning … 😛h34r:

 

[The Janitor]

Unions dont run companies, nor do they close them down, if you educated yourself the IAM has been on US East property since 1949 representing the mechanic and related and then in 1995 becoming the representatives for fleet.

The IAM took concessions in 92, for M&R, to save the company, negotiated in 94 to save the company once again, but they did not pass as the BA investment happened and the AFA voted theirs down.

M&R went from 1995 till 1999 without a new CBA, I call that concessions, then fleet took 4 years to get a cba then we all took three rounds of concessions in two bankruptcies.

Seems to me the IAM has stepped up to the plate to try and save US numerous times and Management keeps failing.

Just the facts.

If someone is ignorant enough to think that the IAM ruined companies, then they should also think that the IAM is responsible for the profits of Southwest and Continental since the IAM represents thousands of employees at each carrier. Who ruined Delta?

 

[700UW]

Unfortunately there are poster on here who accuse the IAM and unions of ruining the company, just read the royal courts post.

 

[Jester]

Your words... not mine!

Don’t fergit yer lil’ challenge... I ain’t gonna let it go till yahh respond in earnest... thread after thread!

Yer lil' southern buddy...

BroBilly

My Dear Gentle Mr. Roabilly,

When did I become your personal career advisor? You have asked me this before and I replied in saying that you should find a marketable job skill or college degree in demand for which you have both an aptitude and interest. I even noted that both the areas of Education and Healthcare related occupations were in demand, and expected to stay strong into the future. Perhaps you might search Monster.com to provide ideas as to something for you, but I would eschew any listing for "gigolo" in your case though.

This is the kind of question for which should have been asked to you when you were a child... "What do you want to be when you grow up?" I said, "cowboy" and "astronaut," but my jingly steel-toed slippers lead me to be a bag-mashing bard into the desert instead, and only after too many years of college... it's a long story, but I digress... My point being, you need to ask that question of yourself as you are now grown-up. You are well past the age of someone, like myself, holding your hand through life.

So Imparts Jester.

 

[Dog Wonder]

Eh I gotta side with Roa on this one …

Freedom is with you.

 

[Jester]

Unions dont run companies, nor do they close them down, if you educated yourself the IAM has been on US East property since 1949 representing the mechanic and related and then in 1995 becoming the representatives for fleet.

The IAM took concessions in 92, for M&R, to save the company, negotiated in 94 to save the company once again, but they did not pass as the BA investment happened and the AFA voted theirs down.

M&R went from 1995 till 1999 without a new CBA, I call that concessions, then fleet took 4 years to get a cba then we all took three rounds of concessions in two bankruptcies.

Seems to me the IAM has stepped up to the plate to try and save US numerous times and Management keeps failing.

Just the facts.

700UW,

You are very astute at dogding issues, as you have not yet answered why I am paying union dues if the IAM has no influence upon management? Now you create a straw-man argument by playing the Blame-Game of responsibility for a failing business while that was never the issue being raised.

So let's see how you parry again the issue I am raising... all this support for the IAM with this false premise they are "your best hope" and yet, not a single one of the fervent, rabid IAM supporters will explain how this union will provide for you if US closes tomorrow? I will say again... "your best hope" will be your own job skills and education versus a collective of uneducated, sycophantic leaders.

Let's see how you address the issue and discuss "just the (revelant) facts."

So Queries Jester.

 

[roabilly]

My Dear Gentle Mr. Roabilly,

When did I become your personal career advisor? You have asked me this before and I replied in saying that you should find a marketable job skill or college degree in demand for which you have both an aptitude and interest. I even noted that both the areas of Education and Healthcare related occupations were in demand, and expected to stay strong into the future. Perhaps you might search Monster.com to provide ideas as to something for you, but I would eschew any listing for "gigolo" in your case though.


So Imparts Jester.

You have allready proclaimed yourself as a “career advisorâ€￾ repeatedly since I’ve been in this forum! You are giving career advice even in your last post to 700! You complain about the IAM and paying union dues, and advise all members to give-up all hope on unionism and solidarity over and over again!

We’ll let the members of this forum be the judge as to your motivations! I think the consensus will fortify my argument! Your weak replies regarding the alternatives for these members in specific career fields, only exposes a further lack of substance.

Now...I’m going to become a career advisor for you. I’ll submit to you the same advice I gave Chock Jockey regarding this matter. Simply seek a position, or a career field that is NOT unionized! Your Monstor.com has thousands of these positions available!

So applies torque...

BroBilly

P.S. Slaw or hushpuppies?

 

[freedom]

If we really are going under moaning about our managment won't help a twit. Instead we should seek to direct our anger where it will do us the most good,at the bond holders and creditors of our company.

If we want to save our jobs then we must go after them.

 

[robbedagain]

its a lot better to be in a union job than a non union job because in a non union job mgmt can and will screw you up ive been there and lived it if you want example of non union, go to piedmont starting rate is now 7.25 down from 9.??? because they claim they cant get enough help!!!!!!! top out pay is 10.00 does that sound like PSA except they were union and are still i believe. and at piedmont they love to screw their employees around been there done it its great to be back at mainline and in the union again to me anyway