US pilot labor thread 6/21-6/27

[prechilill]

And maybe you boys can give the lil general a comb too!

 

[checksix]

And maybe you boys can give the lil general a comb too!

My 6 year old acts more mature............impressive chilill.

 

[prechilill]

Insanity demonstrated (or possibly a case of prematrure amyloid deposition):

You seemed to have missed my point completely, luvn. We are not going to agree on the seniority issue. DOH is a part of the USAPA C&BLs and I would presume that the only way that is going to change is in a court of law. And make no mistake, no one is "pleading" for west participation. Rather, it is a suggestion in your best interests, nothing more, nothing less.

Take it for what it is but think carefully about your decision. Thus far, your current direction hasn't gotten you very far and I don't see things changing unless you change direction.

Einstein's definition of insanity: "Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results." ............see the correlation?

 

[checksix]

Oops, I misunderstood your previous post. I thought you had a brief moment of clarity and were ready to abandon the dead-end strategy. I can assure you that every west pilot has carefully considered what USAPA is doing and they will act in their own best interest. But you go get 'em tiger and make the Lil' General proud!!

Apparently so. It's a simple strategy:

1. Agree to disagree and move on - the issue will be resolved at some point.
2. Participate in your own future.

That's it, luvn. No pleas, no name calling, just common sense.

 

[luvthe9]

I missed it, who's the "Lil general"?

 

[prechilill]

My 6 year old acts more mature............impressive chilill.

so this is the grown-up you where you don't use the "silly chilli" name like you did a few posts ago... I see. And aren't you a little old to have a 6 year old running around, or are you one of those lucky furloughed guys that actually was able to come back to a job after Parker saved you guys in '05?

 

[prechilill]

I missed it, who's the "Lil general"?

the scraggly-haired first officer leading your east coast scout troop.

 

[checksix]

so this is the grown-up you where you don't use the "silly chilli" name like you did a few posts ago... I see. And aren't you a little old to have a 6 year old running around, or are you one of those lucky furloughed guys that actually was able to come back to a job after Parker saved you guys in '05?

Here I thought you said you could choose to be happy, chilill, you were just being silly........

 

[prechilill]

I guess you can't choose to be happy, chilill, you were just being silly........

I'll let you have the last word, it seems to be important to you. So, how many years to you have flying for USAir? Two? Three?

 

[checksix]

I'll let you have the last word, it seems to be important to you. So, how many years to you have flying for USAir? Two? Three?

I thought you might be able to exhibit some leadership qualities, unfortunately, all that I have observed has been anger and emotion. I'm disappointed, prechilill, I expected more.

 

[hp_fa]

Sad that you will not even save yourself by helping shape inevitable conditions and restrictions.

Now there is an interesting phrase.

If something, anything, is inevitable why would anyone waste time or effort to change or impact anything that is deemed inevitable?

 

[checksix]

Now there is an interesting phrase.

If something, anything, is inevitable why would anyone waste time or effort to change or impact anything that is deemed inevitable?

I think what sharktooth was pointing out is that conditions and restrictions are inevitable in order to provide appropriate protections to all US Airways pilots under a DOH seniority based system. He added that the west pilots chose not to participate in their union, they chose not to provide members to the USAPA BPR and therefore lost the opportunity to effect those conditions and restrictions.

That has been their strategy all along, many of us have pointed out that we believe that was a bad decision. Unfortunately, many west pilots have taken our suggestions as pleas, as if we had something to gain. On the contrary, we're trying to make a better union for all US Airways pilots but it takes everyones participation to achieve that.

Whether the west participates or doesn't, USAPA will continue to move forward based on the direction of the membership. If you don't vote or provide direction then you can't complain about the results. Sadly, and I mean that with all sincerity, that's the direction the west has chosen to embrace up to this point.

 

[EastUS]

If you are serious about west participation, USAPA must drop it's stance on DOH and sit down with the west with everything on the table. Once that threat to the west livelihood is removed, you might be surprised how much both sides do agree on. But for every plea for west participation, you get 10 steps backward from Bradford.

If he came out like a real leader and said that he was coming to Phoenix to sit down with any and all participants and that his goal was to build a union that everyone wanted to be a part of, it would be a first step. But I think the east has no idea how much fence mending needs to be done before any west pilot will trust anyone in USAPA leadership. It won't happen with one visit or 10 or maybe even 100, but if Bradford wants to build a successful union he's going to have to make a wholesale change in direction even if that ticks off a few of his most extreme supporters (as represented here) and he's going to have to do it over the long haul.

I see:

"USAPA must drop it's stance on DOH"
"It won't happen with one visit or 10 or maybe even 100, but if Bradford wants to build a successful union he's going to have to make a wholesale change in direction"

So..If I have this right...all you're demanding is a complete dismissal of the USAPA charter, perhaps a hundred or so useless, but warm and fuzzy visits to PHX, and presumably..your St Nic gift? Well Heck!..Is that really all you need to be happy here?. Why didn't you just say so? That all seems completely "reasonable" to me. Let's get started on it immediately! :blink: 🙄 Is there anything else "we" out east can do for you?...Perhaps an embroidered, and extra soft baby blanket or two for you?

A never-ending source of amusement. 🙄

 

[AAA73Pilot]

How many of you guys are actually going to go down with the ship? Being USAPA members, where do you think you will get preferential interviews at? Serious replies only, please. Thanks.

The real question should be, besides SWA, who is going hire anyone? And preferential interviews don't count overseas. All ALPA member carriers are in deep trouble, like us. Besides, if we close the doors many of us can always retire and begin receiving PBGC benefits. I know it's not much, but it's better than nothing. For me it would only be a supplement anyway.

 

[luvn737s]

I see:

"USAPA must drop it's stance on DOH"
"It won't happen with one visit or 10 or maybe even 100, but if Bradford wants to build a successful union he's going to have to make a wholesale change in direction"

So..If I have this right...all you're demanding is a complete dismissal of the USAPA charter, a hundred or so useless, but warm and fuzzy visits to PHX, and presumably..your St Nic gift? Well Heck!..Is that really all you need?. That all seems completely "reasonable" to me. Let's get started on it immediately! :blink: 🙄

A never-ending source of amusement. 🙄

I've written off the lunatic fringe of USAPA, but there is hope for those willing to set aside their biases and work together. I wouldn't bet on a fractured pilot group accomplishing anything.