US pilot labor thread 6/21-6/27

[elixir]

http://www.kmov.com/video/topvideo-index.html?nvid=244016

So, the gang members out west think the company is going to side with you when your gangsters keep doing these things?

You guys are giving them EVERY reason to start swinging the termination axe...keep it up.

What an embarrassing lot, your gang is...I know there has to be a few guys out west who are getting embarrassed by these actions.

disgraceful, and hurting the company...heads are gonna roll soon.

 

[EastUS]

http://www.kmov.com/video/topvideo-index.html?nvid=244016
So, the gang members out west think the company is going to side with you when your gangsters keep doing these things?
You guys are giving them EVERY reason to start swinging the termination axe...keep it up.
What an embarrassing lot, your gang is...I know there has to be a few guys out west who are getting embarrassed by these actions.
disgraceful, and hurting the company...heads are gonna roll soon.

I feel that the existing, clearly delusional state among some out there's well summarized and fully demonstrated by a one-liner from one of the most strident west propogandists:

prechillil: "Yes, we were wrong about the outcome of the vote- the west overestimated the amount of common sense you guys have."

Briefly examing the essentials within that one give us the following:

1) "Yes, we were wrong about the outcome of the vote-" = The ruling assumptions and overall west paradigm routinely fails any testing within actual reality...but they "simply", choose to disregard that established fact.

2) "..the west overestimated the amount of common sense you guys have." All that's needed for their "Righteous Postion" to finally triumph is for everyone out east to finally agree with the inherent wisdom that the earth is actually flat. It matters not that they've been proved wrong at every single turn of events...they'll continue on their Fantasyland ride of choice until it runs completely off the rails. For the sake of all concerned.....I do hope I'm wrong in that assumption.

 

[nycbusdriver]

So, USAPA is not going to get any money for all the organizing expenses including all the work done prior to April 17? I would like to see an audit that proves that. Better make that 6 minutes and for cryin' out loud, pay your high-school accounting class honor student for a whole days work.

That's correct. Prior to April 18, USAPA was operating from the funds donated in rather large quantities my the east pilots, some west pilots and pilots of other carriers who supported the effort. We were all told up front that none of this "donated" money could be credited to us in any way if/when USAPA won the NMB election.

They kept records of every dime before the election, and have CPA's keeping the official financial records now.

When are you guys going to get it through your heads that THIS IS NOT HIGH SCHOOL STUDENT COUNCIL STUFF. This is real world, and you better start acting accordingly. As much as you refuse to accept it, the people running USAPA and the contracted consultants are not stupid and will not suffer fools (if the shoe fits...) gladly.

 

[AAA73Pilot]

Cleardirect Jun 20 2008, 03:17 PM Post #264

QUOTE (EastUS @ Jun 20 2008, 09:31 AM)
kiddies-play-with-hanging-dolls-in-cockpits....everyone knows the specifics already.


Hey east US,

That is about the third time that you have brought up the doll in St. Louis. Do you have any solid actual proof of what happened? Has an investigation been done? Any conclusions yet? Has anyone been fired or suspended over the incident?

You seem to be either very obsessed with dolls or maybe know something about how that doll got into a west flight deck.

Unless you have some real information your accusations are bordering on libel.

Just so you don’t waste time looking it up.

In law, defamation (also called vilification, slander, and libel) is the communication of a statement that makes a false claim, expressively stated or implied to be factual, that may give an individual, business, product, group, government or nation a negative image. Slander refers to a malicious, false, and defamatory statement or report, while libel refers to any other form of communication such as written words or images. Most jurisdictions allow legal actions, civil and/or criminal, to deter various kinds of defamation and retaliate against groundless criticism. Related to defamation is public disclosure of private facts which arises where one person reveals information which is not of public concern, and the release of which would offend a reasonable person.[1] "Unlike libel or slander, truth is not a defence for invasion of privacy."

Cleardirect,

I said I wouldn't do the work for you. Disregard. Check out this link and then you can come back and give us your apologies, especially to EastUs. I won't hold my breath waiting for your integrity to show up.

http://www.kmov.com/video/topvideo-index.html?nvid=244016

 

[NiceLandingCaptain]

http://www.kmov.com/video/topvideo-index.html?nvid=244016

So, the gang members out west think the company is going to side with you when your gangsters keep doing these things?

You guys are giving them EVERY reason to start swinging the termination axe...keep it up.

What an embarrassing lot, your gang is...I know there has to be a few guys out west who are getting embarrassed by these actions.

disgraceful, and hurting the company...heads are gonna roll soon.

Every time and eastie gets nervous, this little tidbit, or something similar, comes up again. Have ya heard about the eastie who shot a hole in one of your birds? Sheesh, you folks need to come up with some new material.

None of you seem to realize that no one has been officially accused or charged in this incident. The perp could have been anyone with access to the jetway/aircraft - east, west, cleaners, MX - you name it. In fact, since the evidence was placed on a west aircraft, it tends to favor an eastie as the likely culprit. Do you really think a westie would set himself up like that?

Sure it places a bad light on the company, but heads rolling soon? Get real........(I know how difficult doing THAT would be for you folks, so relax, we'll give you plenty of time. Meanwhile, keep enjoying your LOA 93).


INTEGRITY MATTERS

NLC

 

[nycbusdriver]

I think the bet is fairly hedged. As soon as the first person get their notice of dismissal and files suit for discrimination and a judge places a hold on terminations until all who are delinquent are treated equally, then we'll see what happens.

I'm sure the judge is very grateful that you've already made the decision for him/her. Sounds like you have it all figured out. keep up the blather, it is so entertaining.

 

[nycbusdriver]

Hmmmm... Anyone else see the irony in this statement?

That would mean that you can't wiggle out of the Nicolau award either, even though USAPA didn't negotiate that. As you say, USAPA assumed EVERY function of ALPA.

Or should we modify that to say "every function of ALPA EXCEPT the parts we don't like." (ie: dues, yes... binding arbitration, no.) How convenient.

Every FUNCTION, not every past POLICY decision. I know the huge difference in the two may be lost on some too fogged up to understand the concept.

One of the FUNCTONS that USAPA assumed is the negotiation of a new joint contract, and USAPA is free to ignore past ALPA policy decisions and work out Section 22 with the company in accordance with USAPA policy.

 

[elixir]

Every time and eastie gets nervous, this little tidbit, or something similar, comes up again. Have ya heard about the eastie who shot a hole in one of your birds? Sheesh, you folks need to come up with some new material.

None of you seem to realize that no one has been officially accused or charged in this incident. The perp could have been anyone with access to the jetway/aircraft - east, west, cleaners, MX - you name it. In fact, since the evidence was placed on a west aircraft, it tends to favor an eastie as the likely culprit. Do you really think a westie would set himself up like that?

Sure it places a bad light on the company, but heads rolling soon? Get real........(I know how difficult doing THAT would be for you folks, so relax, we'll give you plenty of time. Meanwhile, keep enjoying your LOA 93).


INTEGRITY MATTERS

NLC

Tick,tock.....tick,tock....

Gonna be a hot summer, isn't it stapler-man?

Who's gonna get term'd first?....you?...or your pal, chili-whatever?...maybe you can go out together

"Thelma and Louise" style.

Hilarious.

 

[EastUS]

Every time and eastie gets nervous,..

Ladies and Gentlemen....This is perhaps an historic moment in linguistics studies....we've just seen the term "delusional" exemplified to complete perfection.

NLC: "Do you really think a westie would set himself up like that?" Yes..in a heartbeat....More's the pity.

 

[nycbusdriver]

Every time and eastie gets nervous, this little tidbit, or something similar, comes up again. Have ya heard about the eastie who shot a hole in one of your birds? Sheesh, you folks need to come up with some new material.

None of you seem to realize that no one has been officially accused or charged in this incident. The perp could have been anyone with access to the jetway/aircraft - east, west, cleaners, MX - you name it. In fact, since the evidence was placed on a west aircraft, it tends to favor an eastie as the likely culprit. Do you really think a westie would set himself up like that?

Sure it places a bad light on the company, but heads rolling soon? Get real........(I know how difficult doing THAT would be for you folks, so relax, we'll give you plenty of time. Meanwhile, keep enjoying your LOA 93).


INTEGRITY MATTERS

NLC

Actually, no. It makes perfect sense that this would have been placed in a west aircraft, because the gate agents are responsible to check crew ID's before letting them board. So an east crew member would not have been on the roster, and denied access. The reverse is true. A west crew member would not have been able to access an east aircraft to place the effigy even he/she wanted to.

The fact that it was found in a west aircraft, if placed by a crew member, indicate almost without a doubt that a westie placed it.

Besides, were there even any east aircraft (and east crew members) on the ground there at the time of the incident?

 

[checksix]

Do you really think a westie would set himself up like that?

Is this a trick question???

 

[AAA73Pilot]

None of you seem to realize that no one has been officially accused or charged in this incident. The perp could have been anyone with access to the jetway/aircraft - east, west, cleaners, MX - you name it. In fact, since the evidence was placed on a west aircraft, it tends to favor an eastie as the likely culprit. Do you really think a westie would set himself up like that?


INTEGRITY MATTERS

NLC

You are too funny in the defense of children. Constant denial is also an irrational emotional response. The investigation was/is ongoing. Rumor has it that more than 3 crews are involved. Tap dancing in front of the CP is no way to go through life. I can see it now, Mr. CP sir, it was those evil easties that made me do it. I'm really sorry.

 

[AAA73Pilot]

One of the FUNCTONS that USAPA assumed is the negotiation of a new joint contract, and USAPA is free to ignore past ALPA policy decisions and work out Section 22 with the company in accordance with USAPA policy.

AW!! You give ALPA too much credit for "policy decisions". Aren't they merely "Guidelines" now?

 

[EastUS]

You are too funny in the defense of children. Constant denial is also an irrational emotional response. The investigation was/is ongoing. Rumor has it that more than 3 crews are involved. Tap dancing in front of the CP is no way to go through life. I can see it now, Mr. CP sir, it was those evil easties that made me do it. I'm really sorry.

"Rumor has it that more than 3 crews are involved." We're overlooking the obvious here. Given that "INTEGRITY MATTERS"...it should be no problem to quickly conclude any investigations, since any, even remotely involved, will immediately step forward and offer up a complete and truthfull account of all associated events.

 

[AAA73Pilot]

Given that "INTEGRITY MATTERS"...it should be no problem to quickly conclude any investigations, since any, even remotely involved, will immediately step forward and offer up a complete and truthfull account of all associated events.

Yeah, I guess that is too much to expect from such an integrity laden group. Sigh......