US Pilot Labor Thread

[tazz]

hum. I know some of the bankers. The deals were put together by Wall Street love child Lakefield. Parker and Boy Kirby were pawns, but they were not the ones calling the shots.

Some US Shuttle FA's can attest that Bruce & Co were on the shuttle to LGA, a lot.

Yeah, genius, and those same pawns are now runnig the show. Keep fooling yourself you are obviously good at it. By the way you really are reaching when you resort to an FA telling you a guy rode the shuttle a lot and come up with these deductions. Good grief, this board has sunk to a new low.

 

[tazz]

Please don't make us go through this again.

You are wrong, I just don't want to go through it all over a fourth time.

Able, isn't this just mind numbing?

 

[700UW]

Please don't make us go through this again.

You are wrong, I just don't want to go through it all over a fourth time.

Nope your wrong John Luth, working for Seabury and Associates arranged the merger and financing, Seabury was working for US Airways, not HP.

How the Merger got off the ground

 

[EastUS]

Eastus, being that I have clearly proven my statement correct, with the help of Boeingboy, please prove yours stating that the drooling is being done on the west. Just one example. Just one, oh pompous windbag.

I stand both embarrassed by some of my fellows' expressed notions and properly corrected. There obviously are some sentiments wishing ills on the west, and aren't much concerned with your furloughs out there. I'm not of such thoughts myself, and see the furlough of anyone to be nothing to cause joy. I don't need to "like" anyone's politics to not wish them harm via furlough...Heck.I don't even posess the vast "INTEGRITY" required to deny any of you a jump seat 😉

As far as "just one" example of your folks drooling?..You're kidding me, right?...Honestly...you ARE joking..right?..You MUST be! 😉 There have been literally hundreds posted over the last year and change. I suppose the two obvious favorites of mine would be Prechilled's "Ho Ho Ho!. St Nic is coming to town!"(accompanied by a "cute" picture of Santa's sleigh..with ALL the lead reindeer labeled as AWA)..and of course, the mighty Leonidas' "I want the captain seat...and most of all, I want every single east pilot to pay for it!" For starters; Try spinning those....if you even possibly can. If you want a complete catalogue listing..it would demolish the available bandwidth for days, I'd think.

Drooling is actually an extremely kind term for the west's expressed sentiments and behaviors to date..It's been more akin to watching a pack of rabid chihuahuas swarming and running amok....Have another read of post-nic postings from your side, and take a moment's glimpse of the PHX roadshow videos..and get back to us all.....or just finally get real at any level here.

 

[oldiebutgoody]

Here ya go, EastUS.....



Jim

And, just how is that "drooling" over west furloughs? If anyone's got to go, I prefer it be the loud mouthed trouble makers. Goes for the East side, too.

Jim, ALPA is gone. Get over it.

I guess retirement must be boring, given that you now feel that you have to stoop to personal attacks for amusement.

My personal situation is NO ONE's business but my own. Suffice it to say I never lied on here, despite the ramblings and continual tauntings of others. Yes, I hope he likes his paper hat.

 

[EastUS]

Jim, ALPA is gone. Get over it.

I guess retirement must ne boring, given that you now feel that you have to stoop to personal attacks for amusement.

Well..his last personal jibe was offered in support of the "heroic war hero" NLC...nowadays?..I just consider the source.

 

[oldiebutgoody]

Well..his last personal jibe was offered in support of the "heroic war hero" NLC...nowadays?..I just consider the source.

Good point. Hadn't thought of that.

 

[EastUS]

Hey EastUS! Should I copy this quote so I can paste it here multiple times in what's sure to be many more threads of argument?

BTW tazz, I received my furlough notice just the other day... Maybe you can explain it to my three children? 'Cause I'm having a hard time with it.

Feel free..as it's a quote from one of your own. I'm very sorry that you, or anyone else is set for furlough, for what little that thought's worth to you from me.

 

[ableoneable]

And, just how is that "drooling" over west furloughs? If anyone's got to go, I prefer it be the loud mouthed trouble makers. Goes for the East side, too.

Jim, ALPA is gone. Get over it.

I guess retirement must be boring, given that you now feel that you have to stoop to personal attacks for amusement.

My personal situation is NO ONE's business but my own. Suffice it to say I never lied on here, despite the ramblings and continual tauntings of others. Yes, I hope he likes his paper hat.

Jim offered your quote sans comment yet you characterize his post as a personal attack.

Interesting and illuminating.

Comment deleted by moderator with a warning to all that personal attacks are not permitted & are subject to time off.

 

[EastUS]

Nope your wrong John Luth, working for Seabury and Associates arranged the merger and financing, Seabury was working for US Airways, not HP.

How the Merger got off the ground

No one will ever make a case that convinces any out west of the true conditions. The very most essential elements of the west's "Righteous Position", which are used in order to justify the insane level of personal greed out there, are both the deeply entrenched fantasy that any/all east flying was theirs by right of financial conquest, and that AWA was going to survive as a thriving entity all by itself otherwise. These are the core building blocks for the established "What's ours is ours!, and what's yours SHOULD be ours!" BS. Without such sustaining fantasies..I'd think even the most rabid out there would be hard pressed to begin to justify their sorry, greedy, self-obsessed BS.

 

[ableoneable]

Nope your wrong John Luth, working for Seabury and Associates arranged the merger and financing, Seabury was working for US Airways, not HP.

How the Merger got off the ground

We have been through this at least three times.

The reason Seabury group was even involved was because of AWA's expressed interest.

Seabury became involved at the behest of AWA management. No-one else was interested and had Parker not been USAir would have liquidated. As it was AWA made USAir's payroll to keep it a viable enterprise until the merger could move forward.

Would AWA have been in trouble in the months following? Absolutely, but AWA still had chapter 11 options available and other merger partners that could have come to the dance. USAir had no other options.

In either case it does not matter. None of the above has any bearing on where we are today or where we will go tomorrow.

 

[EastUS]

In either case it does not matter. None of the above has any bearing on where we are today or where we will go tomorrow.

It seems to matter a great deal as per generating a rather unique set of perspectives, but I completely agree = What's done is done, and we need to look forward from here on.

 

[N924PS]

We have been through this at least three times.

The reason Seabury group was even involved was because of AWA's expressed interest.

Seabury became involved at the behest of AWA management. No-one else was interested and had Parker not been USAir would have liquidated. As it was AWA made USAir's payroll to keep it a viable enterprise until the merger could move forward.

Would AWA have been in trouble in the months following? Absolutely, but AWA still had chapter 11 options available and other merger partners that could have come to the dance. USAir had no other options.

What any of this has to do with today is negligible.

At this point in the air disaster one might ask the rhetorical question: "What difference does it make now?"

Until AWAPPA makes its case and it is resolved, and USAPA delivers a new contract with a non-Nicolau methodology this whole discussion just goes in circles. Believe what you want, but this is the reality:

-USAirways and America West Merger Complete: Single FAA Certificate.

-USAPA is the reigning union.

-You don't have to join USAPA, but you will have to pay.

-No Parity for East until Joint Contract Achieved.

-No joint utilization of aircraft/crews until Joint Contract Achieved

-LOA 93 in effect until Joint Contract Achieved.

Based on the above realities, I see status-quo until LOA 93 expires, unless Joint Contract is necessary to complete consolidation transaction.

These are the facts. This is the reality.

 

[nycbusdriver]

I was in the CP office today and a pilot was asking about the dues situation.

The C.P said, "We have never terminated a pilot over non-payment of dues." (his emphasis.) The other pilot continued to press and the C.P interrupted him and said,
"Hint, N e v e r."

FWIW.

True. That's because ALPA NEVER rarely pressed the issue to that point, and when they did the pilots caved and paid up.

 

[oldiebutgoody]

Jim offered your quote sans comment yet you characterize his post as a personal attack.

Interesting and illuminating.

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Nope. Wrong again. Jim was spinning what I said into something it wasn't. Just as you like to do.

Oh, and please don't pay your fair share. Let's see where that gets you.

Now, why don't you start working on your next career, instead of trying to attack folks on this forum.

Oh, that's right. You don't have to study too hard to learn how to work the paper hats and fry machine.