US Pilots Labor Discussion 6/2- STAY ON TOPIC AND OBSERVE THE RULES

[LSS]

One thing is for certain. The Nic ain't going away. It happened, end of story.

Plain and simple, anything less than the Nic "unquestionably ripe DFR".

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The 9th didn't say that... what is happening with READING COMPREHENSION out west.?... what the 9th said is that a deviation from the NIC was okay as long as it was FAIR TO ALL PILOTS!

Doesn't mean you can't throw more money away suing, but you won't win if it is within a reasonable degree of fairness!

 

[nic4us]

Hopefully the furloughed will be coming back soon. The reps I have spoken with say the company is having serious issues staffing already. Hopefully you will be back soon. If everybody flies only what is legally required, it will happen sooner.

The West's PBS bid for July is out, and it does not appear to be a flex bid as was June. However, that does not stop the company from massaging the reserve requirements and cramming lines. We will know around the 19th if West staffing is getting squezed thin.

 

[cleardirect]

You can't sue the company for DFR. They were NEVER bound by the NIC anyway. "Ripe" does not mean "prevail" Get over it. The 9th didn't even need to comment on it, but they did. USAPA is NOT bound by the NIC, nor will they use it.

You're right, the NIC is not going away. It's ALREADY gone away.

If you don't like it, I can tell you where to send your 2 weeks' notice.

No where in the ninth's ruling does it say that usapa is not bound by the Nicolau. All they say is if usapa uses anything other than the Nicolau they do so at their own risk. So give it try and see how far you get.

You guys can keep telling yourselves that it will not be Nioclau but we will wait and see. BTW where is that contract that we are going to vote on? Two years and counting. Pretty poor performance.

 

[oldiebutgoody]

No where in the ninth's ruling does it say that usapa is not bound by the Nicolau. All they say is if usapa uses anything other than the Nicolau they do so at their own risk. So give it try and see how far you get.

You guys can keep telling yourselves that it will not be Nioclau but we will wait and see. BTW where is that contract that we are going to vote on? Two years and counting. Pretty poor performance.

More denial.

I don't really care what you think, especially since YOU ARE WRONG The ninth didn't rule on that AT ALL, but they did make some pretty direct comments.

. I hope you like where you are. You're not coming east to steal anybody's job.

 

[luvthe9]

Why are we wasting are time still discussing this, lets move on to something else. The NIC is dead and not coming back, the new list will be presented to the company within a month of so. The list the west thinks the company is going to use is lining the bottom of Parkers bird cage. Come on guys this is getting old!!

 

[oldiebutgoody]

Why are we wasting are time still discussing this, lets move on to something else. The NIC is dead and not coming back, the new list will be presented to the company within a month of so. The list the west thinks the company is going to use is lining the bottom of Parkers bird cage. Come on guys this is getting old!!

I agree with you COMPLETELY.

Has anybody heard anything about A BIG ANNOUNCEMENT?

I thought I could flush USA320Pilot from the bushes with that one!

 

[luvthe9]

I thought I could flush USA320Pilot from the bushes with that one!

I'm quite sure whith all of his "sources" he knows when that big one is coming

 

[RSVP767]

One thing is for certain. The Nic ain't going away. It happened, end of story.

Any and all future seniority schemes will be objectively measured as to how they differ from the Nic. No subjective whinning about what is unfair to Monda, or Nic was senile.

Plain and simple, anything less than the Nic "unquestionably ripe DFR".

Every other arguement east posters have made in the last 5 days has been nothing more than the same arguements about RLA law and unions rights, that Seeham used to put the hook into usapa in the first place. Where did that get you? On the recieving end of a federal injunction,after losing a DFR trial.

Now the 9th says that trial was premature, but makes no comments on its merits or the Nic award, accept to say, in layman's terms, if you get DOH passed, the next verdict will stick.

I am looking forward to usapa doing the right thing and changing their position to supporting the Nic. They can either do that now and save us all a bunch of money, or they can continue to waste our time and money, force seperate ops, tie the company's hands in the larger competative enviroment, and rack up the damages amount coming in their future "unquestionably ripe" DFR loss.

Where did that get us? It got us the 9th affirming what the East, Seham and USAPA has been telling you for the last two years. Not ripe!........only a proposal!.........USAPA is not bound by the NIC!

Yes, NIC is dead!.......or if you can't accept that.....ok, it's sitting on Parkers shelf. Right where we told you it would remain.....indefinitely!

Federal injunction?.....GONE! DFR trial?........DISMISSED!

Everything you and clear have been posting since Friday has been grasping at straws. "Unquestionably ripe" and "unquestionably guilty" are not one in the same. Good luck!

 

[233KILLS]

why would anyone think the company would insist on Nic? I understand it was court ordered at the time but no longer.

The Frat Boys (Parker,Kirby) needs one pilot group to support their merger dreams,they could care less if it's Nic ,DOH or names drawed from a hat as long as they get it. Anyone who thinks otherwise is kidding themselves.

The Frat Boys want a single list about as much as they want to give us a pay raise. They could care less, they have a cheap pilot group thats all they need.

 

[nic4us]

"Unquestionably ripe" and "unquestionably guilty" are not one in the same. Good luck!

Here is the bottom line.

Change the Nic, get it passed, the West is suing, "unquestionably".

No longer have to worry about not being timely.

And: the next time, the judge may not release the company if they connive with usapa in actually negotiating and ratifying a DOH list, they have been forewarned would be subject to litigation by not only the West pilot group but also the 9th circuit court of appeals.

Try to remember why we were at the 9th in the first place. We were there because usapa lost a DFR suit on the merits of the case. Bring those same merits ( i.e. change the Nic) with a ratified contract and it is game over for the fake union formed to try and get out of binding arbitration.

 

[nic4us]

The West's PBS bid for July is out, and it does not appear to be a flex bid as was June.

Yet, I was just informed there will be a flex of the 757 fleet for July.

 

[Freighterguynow]

Here is the bottom line.

Change the Nic, get it passed, the West is suing, "unquestionably".

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Reeks of desperation

 

[AWE Dog]

Here is the bottom line.

Change the Nic, get it passed, the West is suing, "unquestionably".

No longer have to worry about not being timely.

And: the next time, the judge may not release the company if they connive with usapa in actually negotiating and ratifying a DOH list, they have been forewarned would be subject to litigation by not only the West pilot group but also the 9th circuit court of appeals.

Try to remember why we were at the 9th in the first place. We were there because usapa lost a DFR suit on the merits of the case. Bring those same merits ( i.e. change the Nic) with a ratified contract and it is game over for the fake union formed to try and get out of binding arbitration.

How do you lose a DFR suit that should have never been heard in the first place?

 

[luvthe9]

Here is the bottom line.

Change the Nic, get it passed, the West is suing, "unquestionably".

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You have that right, I might sue the company because they took away my crew meals, get it you can sue for anything but go right ahead your were led down the wrong path the first time. I't's ashame for your family that your spending your kids college money or there inheritance, let's see you owe around a million now plus a few more for future suits. My advice is don't mess with Lee Seeham he's real good!!!!! P.S. Change the NIC, what's a NIC?

 

[oldiebutgoody]

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Reeks of desperation

I just figured out why Mr. Harper, esq is asking for an en banc hearing. He probably figures it's the only way he'll be paid!

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