US Pilots Labor Discussion

[767jetz]

Company Dec action is ripe.

USAPA MTD is denied.

Enjoy LOA93.

Well, well, well. USAPA loses again. No surprise there!

The propaganda machine is working overtime tonight trying to spin this one in a positive light!

Hey Swan, wasn't it you with your panties in a twist a while back shouting "SPANKED" from the roof tops? How's it feel to be schooled by the courts once again?

 

[767jetz]

Is that the sound of the west jerking themselves off again?

V

So you're saying you are familiar with the sound of a circle jerk. OK. Got it.

 

[nic4us]

Hey Nic... You forgot to start your post with "Hey scab... Hey clown.. or Hey Jackass".

Too bad you didn't tell Doug that USAPA is a scab organization during the PHX crew news. It would have changed everything and solved world hunger too.

Why would I tell him something of which he is already aware?



Maybe next crew news I will ask him if he will seek to have usapa's suit moved from NY to PHX. Who am I kidding, when the mediator chimes in on that suit, it will get tossed long before a change in venue motion could be heard.

Speaking of mediators, if I were the mediator in theses contract negotiations, and one side (the side with the idiots who are causing all the delay), just did an end run around me, I think I would introduce them to the phrase...parked!

 

[767jetz]

The problem is usapa is a scab organization, and is going to be shown the door. Of course the little union busting lawyer will stick around for a paycheck til the end.

Nic, I think there are even more fence sitters who are re-thinking their support tonight. This loss, and Cleary's unilateral decision to file another case against the company and spend member's money with no input from the membership whatsoever. Might be a good time for a card drive!

The implosion continues. Pass the popcorn.

 

[HPearlyretiree]

Well, well, well. USAPA loses again. No surprise there!

The propaganda machine is working overtime tonight trying to spin this one in a positive light!

Hey Swan, wasn't it you with your panties in a twist a while back shouting "SPANKED" from the roof tops? How's it feel to be schooled by the courts once again?

USAPA, the Los Angeles Clippers of phoney spite-unions!

LOL

(More like the Washington Generals)

 

[Phoenix]

Why would I tell him something of which he is already aware?

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And he is in collusion with the scab union too, isn't he?

 

[CactusPilot1]

The west attorneys are not celebrating. With Judge Silver dismissing the west pilots cross claim suit, it was the last chance for the west lawyers to get their bill paid by USAPA.

Look for the lawyers that represented the west to abandon them quicker than alpa did, after they were voted out and the money was gone.

You left this out....

Given US Airways decision to file a Declaratory Judgment action, it is not surprising the West Pilots were concerned that they needed to raise their cross-claim in this action.While the Court believes the cross-claim must be dismissed as unripe, there is no authority directly addressing whether an unripe cross-claim can become ripe when it is inextricably connected to a ripe Declaratory Judgment action. Thus, the decision to bring the cross-claim was not obviously barred by existing law. Fed. R. Civ. P. 11. Moreover, there is no evidence the cross-claim was presented for an improper purpose such as to harass USAPA.Thus, USAPA is not entitled to Rule 11 sanctions.

 

[aquagreen73s]

If she saw the harm, she would have allowed the cross-claim.

No. She reiterated what the 9th said which is fine. Claim preserved for the West in DFR II.

It sounds like she is simply going to allow discovery on the US Airways DJ complaint.

Yes. Discovery is an integral part of any law suit. The question is whether she'll allow evidence to be transferred from Addington into the company dec action. The company's lawyer advocated for that. The judge seemed to be inclided to advocate for that. Leonidas advocates for that. Only USAPA wants to slow things down.

It could be dismissed,

Not now it can't.

Why keep the west pilots as defendants if she was going to rule in their favor?

You need to read the order. Judge Silver concludes that the company and Leonidas was correct in that the West is a necessary party under Rule 19.

My guess, is she doesn't know how this will play out.

Did you really mean to say that? Of course she doesn't know. But what she does know is that the company has a ripe claim and fathom this: the company's claim asks essentially the same question as was asked in Addington. How did that work out for USAPA before the nine person jury?

If this makes it through discovery and past summary judgment to a trial and the final ruling reiterates that this it is all an internal union dispute and the union is free to set it own policy and bargain as such, any claim of harm can only be brought against the union going forward on this issue and it will bind the West pilots since they are still a party. Any claim could only be brought against the union at that point. US Airways would be in the clear at that point.

That's claim Three of the company's complaint. Good luck with that one. Read the transcripts. Bob Siegel mentions the jury verdict three different times. There is no case law out there which stands for Claim III. If there were, you can bet that the company would have cited to it in their complaint from last July. Read it again if you don't believe. Or since I'm talking to an Eastie, for a change read it for yourself instead of having the USAPA mouthpiece do your thinking for you.

Most 12b motions to dismiss are not acted on unless someone is suing for a million dollars because they didn't get their peanuts.

You have no idea what you're talking about. That is absolutely not true.

All that order said was in a long winded way that on the "face" of it, US Airways claim "appears" valid and should not be dismissed at this point but rather to determine the same on its merits.

Yup. Company suit testing the legality of a DOH cramdown following a binding arbitration is about to be tested - again. But this time there's no ripeness to hide behind.

Enjoy LOA93.

 

[aquagreen73s]

This loss, and Cleary's unilateral decision to file another case against the company and spend member's money with no input from the membership whatsoever.

What's awesome about that case in the Eastern Dist of NY is that USAPA filed alleging that the company is in violation of Section 2, First of the RLA. That's the jurisdictional hook they used to get into federal court. Well, let's back up a bit and look at the company's complaint in the declaratory action. There, the company alleged that they would be sued by USAPA for ..... get this ....violating Section 2 First of the RLA. USAPA did exactly as the company predicted. What's more, USAPA filed their motion to dismiss, made Judge Silver spend several hours of her time entertaining the motion to dismiss, and then four days before Judge Silver releases her order denying the motion to dismiss, USAPA files suit in another federal court which absolutely vindicates what the company had originally alleged. What a bunch of idiots.

The implosion continues. Pass the popcorn.

I got the beer covered. You can't buy entertainment this good!

 

[East Hole]

Nic, I think there are even more fence sitters who are re-thinking their support tonight. This loss, and Cleary's unilateral decision to file another case against the company and spend member's money with no input from the membership whatsoever. Might be a good time for a card drive!

The implosion continues. Pass the popcorn.

U r just so wrong

 

[mrbreeze]

To give some of you guys and gals a glimpse of the safety/mechanical issues we are having on the East, here is a list of MELs on the 767 we picked up in Europe today. (all legit, and keep in mind this was an 8.5 hr Atlantic ETOPS flight)

APU
L Eng Fire Loop2
Aft Cargo Door Hinge
Rt Aft Fuel Pump (had to haul an extra 8500 lbs of unusable fuel around)
Fwd Zone Trim Air (manually controlled the unstable temp)
Left Transponder

Needless to say, the logbook was very colorful.

On top of all this, when we got to the aircraft, we found that the R1 door slide had dislodged about 16". After spending a couple of hours trying to locate another slide, with no luck, team Tempe decided to MEL the slide and remove it from the aircraft. So......that means that we had to block all seats that might need that exit.....everything from row 9 forward, including 1st class.......59 seats.

Bottom line.....we left 4 hrs late, limping home in a piece of crap airplane, tankering an extra 8500 lbs of unusable fuel, with 145 passengers instead of bringing a full aircraft at 204 peeps.

What an operation! <_<

 

[East Hole]

To give some of you guys and gals a glimpse of the safety/mechanical issues we are having on the East, here is a list of MELs on the 767 we picked up in Europe today. (all legit, and keep in mind this was an 8.5 hr Atlantic ETOPS flight)

APU
L Eng Fire Loop2
Aft Cargo Door Hinge
Rt Aft Fuel Pump (had to haul an extra 8500 lbs of unusable fuel around)
Fwd Zone Trim Air (manually controlled the unstable temp)
Left Transponder

Needless to say, the logbook was very colorful.

On top of all this, when we got to the aircraft, we found that the R1 door slide had dislodged about 16". After spending a couple of hours trying to locate another slide, with no luck, team Tempe decided to MEL the slide and remove it from the aircraft. So......that means that we had to block all seats that might need that exit.....everything from row 9 forward, including 1st class.......59 seats.

Bottom line.....we left 4 hrs late, limping home in a piece of crap airplane, tankering an extra 8500 lbs of unusable fuel, with 145 passengers instead of bringing a full aircraft at 204 peeps.

What an operation! <_<

The A@W experts r running the airline now. Would u expect anything different.

 

[USA320Pilot]

One Phrase, Two Completely Different Meanings. The Importance of the Whole Truth. Part 2.

See Story

 

[fodase]

To give some of you guys and gals a glimpse of the safety/mechanical issues we are having on the East, here is a list of MELs on the 767 we picked up in Europe today. (all legit, and keep in mind this was an 8.5 hr Atlantic ETOPS flight)

APU
L Eng Fire Loop2
Aft Cargo Door Hinge
Rt Aft Fuel Pump (had to haul an extra 8500 lbs of unusable fuel around)
Fwd Zone Trim Air (manually controlled the unstable temp)
Left Transponder

Needless to say, the logbook was very colorful.

On top of all this, when we got to the aircraft, we found that the R1 door slide had dislodged about 16". After spending a couple of hours trying to locate another slide, with no luck, team Tempe decided to MEL the slide and remove it from the aircraft. So......that means that we had to block all seats that might need that exit.....everything from row 9 forward, including 1st class.......59 seats.

Bottom line.....we left 4 hrs late, limping home in a piece of crap airplane, tankering an extra 8500 lbs of unusable fuel, with 145 passengers instead of bringing a full aircraft at 204 peeps.

What an operation! <_<

To bad so sad. If you scumbags hadn't decided to have a jihad against the west maybe we would have all been on the same page and pulling on the same rope to make things better. Enjoy loa93

 

[East Hole]

To bad so sad. If you scumbags hadn't decided to have a jihad against the west maybe we would have all been on the same page and pulling on the same rope to make things better. Enjoy loa93

back to the juvenile name calling