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To give some of you guys and gals a glimpse of the safety/mechanical issues we are having on the East, here is a list of MELs on the 767 we picked up in Europe today. (all legit, and keep in mind this was an 8.5 hr Atlantic ETOPS flight)

APU
L Eng Fire Loop2
Aft Cargo Door Hinge
Rt Aft Fuel Pump (had to haul an extra 8500 lbs of unusable fuel around)
Fwd Zone Trim Air (manually controlled the unstable temp)
Left Transponder

Needless to say, the logbook was very colorful.

On top of all this, when we got to the aircraft, we found that the R1 door slide had dislodged about 16". After spending a couple of hours trying to locate another slide, with no luck, team Tempe decided to MEL the slide and remove it from the aircraft. So......that means that we had to block all seats that might need that exit.....everything from row 9 forward, including 1st class.......59 seats.

Bottom line.....we left 4 hrs late, limping home in a piece of crap airplane, tankering an extra 8500 lbs of unusable fuel, with 145 passengers instead of bringing a full aircraft at 204 peeps.

What an operation! <_<




Oh,c'mon now . Those things where a piece of crap long before Parker ever got his hands on them . And what's with this "Team Tempe" discrptive.You sound like a bunch of efn flight attendants for crys sake.cv
 
Crying...Really?.....Must really jerk your chain when we don't get upset over your ranting and raving, huh, Metroman? But you are correct in one thing....Your drunken CEO had done a good job of turning a 'real' airline into a giant POS by trying to bring us down to your level....

V


Nah, not quite. He turned a "real" airline into a giant POS by purchasing and merging with the giant POS that was in bk court for it's 2nd time with no way out
cv
 
Your drunken CEO had done a good job of turning a 'real' airline into a giant POS by trying to bring us down to your level....

V

You mean the drunken CEO who was part of the team that brought our "real" bankrupt airline out of it's second bankruptcy.
 
The west attorneys are not celebrating. With Judge Silver dismissing the west pilots cross claim suit, it was the last chance for the west lawyers to get their bill paid by USAPA.

Look for the lawyers that represented the west to abandon them quicker than alpa did, after they were voted out and the money was gone.
Bothin' to see here folks. Move on...it's just nos/Som with his mindless synopsis of what HE dreams up in his little world. The party is starting again! Yee haw!

Get used to seeing the word "DISMISSED" with you own legal filings (again). Pass the popcorn & brews!
 
Today, Judge Silver denied USAPA’s Motion to Dismiss the US Airways' declaratory action. You can read the order here. Within the order, Judge Silver denied USAPA’s Motion to Drop the West pilots as a party to the company’s suit, and denied the West pilots’ “cross-claim” against USAPA. 

Contrary to USAPA's repeated assertions that the seniority issue is settled, the company’s declaratory action- which is based solely on the seniority dispute- is alive and well. No matter how many times USAPA has claimed victory; today's ruling proves that it has not prevailed, as another trial looms just over the horizon. 

(1) This action necessarily raises issues nearly identical to the issues in Addington. As a review, the company raised three questions. Because of today’s ruling, all three questions will proceed to be litigated: 

(I) Whether agreement to a non-Nicolau seniority list violates the Railway Labor Act.
(II) Whether agreement to a non-Nicolau seniority list does not violate the RLA.
(III) Regardless whether use or non-use of Nicolau violates the RLA, that US Airways be immune from liability caused by agreeing to a non-Nicolau list. 

It is straightforward to see why claims I and II invoke the same legal issues over which theAddington jury deliberated. Mr. Bob Siegel represents US Airways, and it was clear in his oral arguments before Judge Silver on February 9th that the effect of the Ninth Circuit’s dismissal of Addington only on the grounds of “ripeness” created an intractable position for the company: 

“On the seniority issue, the company has to tell the union whether or not it will or will not amend the transition agreement and acquiesce to a non-Nicolau seniority list. We have to answer that question and we don't know -- Your Honor, the only thought I want to emphasize is the reason we filed is because we don't know whether that proposal is legal or not. We're concerned because we are aware of a jury verdict that found it to be illegal. We have a ripeness ruling from the Ninth Circuit, and we have a demand from the union that we accept it, the non-Nicolau list.” [Feb. 9th Transcripts, Page 22] 

Pay particular attention to Mr. Siegel’s use of the word “amend.” It is USAPA’s competence to amend the Transition Agreement which is really in question in the company’s declaratory action. As an agent, USAPA owes a duty to all pilots which it represents. Hybrid DFR law makes it clear that liability for failing to meet the “Duty of Fair Representation” does not stop with the union. A company can be held liable if the company knew (or should have known) that the union was not meeting its duty to fairly represent its members when bargaining. The failure to represent here is with regards to the seniority list. Thanks to USAPA, there is no separate West entity. Now, nobody knows if the West is being fairly represented when a seniority list is proffered that is not the Nicolau. The company is faced with the prospect of negotiating with USAPA to ignore a binding arbitration and instead, agree to a DOH seniority list in a joint collective bargaining agreement in lieu of threatened work stoppages. Mind you, the same DOH list has already been found by one jury to be illegal in this circumstance. Again, we will refer to Mr. Siegel’s oral arguments of February 9th: 

“Your Honor, I'm quite aware of the law in this area. There's a lead case that discusses this, a District Court decision by Judge Conlon in Chicago in 1991 involving United Airlines. I represented United in that case. I actually was able to prevail on the issue of whether the carrier was or was not a colluder. But there are cases which I don't, as a carrier lawyer, don't favor but there are cases which hold that a carrier can be, in certain factual circumstances, held liable as facilitating, aiding, abetting, or colluding with the union in the adoption and agreeing to an illegal contract term. *** Unlike the Rakestraw case, as we get this threat, we're fully aware that the DFR argument that Mr. Harper's clients want to make was presented in a nine-day trial to a jury and to Judge Wake. We're fully aware that the facts that were presented caused a jury to find that the proposal made by the union breaches its duty of fair representation.” [Feb 9th Hearing Transcripts, pages 12-13] 

(2) Just as the company’s declaratory action is alive and well, so too is the Nicolau Award. The Nicolau was the second exhibit admitted into evidence during Addington, and it is likely going to be among the first exhibits admitted in the company’s declaratory action. Rather than “collecting dust” (or whatever idiom USAPA used to allege that the Nicolau Award was impotent under USAPA) the Nicolau remains very much attached to both the East and the West. The Nicolau did not “go away,” as Lee Seham so confidently pronounced during USAPA’s campaign to replace ALPA. Nicolau is the standard against which USAPA’s duty to represent all pilots will be measured. 

(3) We are three and half years into USAPA’s effort to pretend that the binding arbitration does not exist. Lee Seham exuded confidence in his response to an East A330 captain that the company would gladly deal on seniority in exchange for a “cost neutral contract.” Notwithstanding the obvious message from Seham that his clients are more than willing to sell their seniority, Seham and the USAPA founders mistakenly assumed that the company could actually be in a position to negotiate seniority. Again, we look to Mr. Siegel's statement in court: 

“As to negotiations, this is not a subject that we bargained about, Your Honor. To give the reality of the labor negotiations, the carrier in a post-merger situation, waits for the union to give it an integrated seniority list. And so long as certain conditions are met, which are actually laid out in the transition agreement so that we're not required to do something called flush the system or otherwise incur a lot of extra training costs, we accept their list. * * * Your Honor, with all respect, on this, subject, it's yes or no. We're not sitting here bargaining a pay rate or a pension plan.” [Feb 9th Hearing Transcripts, page 19] 

Ergo, the company cannot be thought of as a party capable of negotiating seniority. This is a principal assumption made by the founders of USAPA, which has FAILED the test of reality.

(4) The Addington trial does not go away. Mr. Siegel: 

“I have not had a chance to talk to the parties but, obviously, one possibility that seems logical to us is that there would be some type of ability to transfer the record from Judge Wake's courtroom to this courtroom so that if there needs to be any resolution or material issues of fact or supplemental evidence, that can be done very quickly. But rather than reinvent the wheel, assuming that that is something that the two pilot groups would want, we would certainly support moving on that as quickly as possible without delay.” [Feb. 9th Hearing Transcripts, page 23] 

(5) Our final point is to ask rhetorically how a federal mediator can possibly continue negotiations in light of the fact that the company’s declaratory action is ongoing in federal court. Despite the snail’s pace of negotiations brought on by a puppet NAC, the issues being litigated in federal court are intertwined with many sections in the contract. Seniority affects all of the major (and contentious) provisions of a contract: pay, scheduling, retirement, medical, and many others. Congratulations USAPA! Instead of securing a contract in 90 days, it seems more plausible that you will not secure a contract for 90 months. 

Now that litigation has resumed, you can expect more updates from Leonidas. We are entering a new chapter in the defense of our careers. We appreciate your robust financial support, which has made our ongoing legal defense possible. With your continued support, we will be able to finish this dispute and move ahead for the benefit of all US Airways pilots.


Sincerely, 

Leonidas LLC 

www.cactuspilot.com
 
Yaah,

That's what is known as democracy.


Bob

Hey Bob. Speaking of "Democracy" what do you think the odds are the "most democratic union in history" (USAPA, try not to laugh) will do next?

Will USAPA appeal Silver's ruling. Now remember, the "most democratic union in history" has taken the most unusual step in that it granted unprecedented power upon it's one, singular, dictatorial President to SINGLE HANDEDLY steer and initiate ALL legal proceedings without input from ANY OTHER OFFICER OR ENTITY. Here's the question:

Will Kim Jong Cleary, (the president of the most democratic union in history) allow the membership to vote on whether or not to appeal or will he use his unmitigated powers to singularly decide to appeal all on his own.

Will he decide to spend millions of more dollars and waste 18 more months on a Wild goose chase only to end up exactly where we are today, Or will He allow the Pilot group to answer the question for themselves? Honestly, it's the pilot group on LOA 93. Shouldn't they at least have some minor voice in their own future? I mean really, the "most democratic union in history" certainly wouldn't just be blowing smoke about that right? 🙄 :lol: :lol:

USAPA is so confident it will prevail in court...why not have the DJ questions answered unopposed? Why does USAPA avoid Federal Judges like a Vampire to Sunlight?




TIME TO LET THE PILOTS SPEAK!!!!

PUT THE APPEAL UP TO A VOTE!!!
 
Hey Bob. Speaking of "Democracy" what do you think the odds are the "most democratic union in history" (USAPA, try not to laugh) will do next?

Will USAPA appeal Silver's ruling. Now remember, the "most democratic union in history" has taken the most unusual step in that it granted unprecedented power upon it's one, singular, dictatorial President to SINGLE HANDEDLY steer and initiate ALL legal proceedings without input from ANY OTHER OFFICER OR ENTITY. Here's the question:

Will Kim Jong Cleary, (the president of the most democratic union in history) allow the membership to vote on whether or not to appeal or will he use his unmitigated powers to singularly decide to appeal all on his own.

Will he decide to spend millions of more dollars and waste 18 more months on a Wild goose chase only to end up exactly where we are today, Or will He allow the Pilot group to answer the question for themselves? Honestly, it's the pilot group on LOA 93. Shouldn't they at least have some minor voice in their own future? I mean really, the "most democratic union in history" certainly wouldn't just be blowing smoke about that right? 🙄 :lol: :lol:

USAPA is so confident it will prevail in court...why not have the DJ questions answered unopposed? Why does USAPA avoid Federal Judges like a Vampire to Sunlight?




TIME TO LET THE PILOTS SPEAK!!!!

PUT THE APPEAL UP TO A VOTE!!!

How about this? We accept the NIC, but then add enough restrictions in the contract to take the teeth out of it. That OK? You have the NIC and East gets their attrition. Lock the East pilots out of PHX (unless the vacancies go unwanted) and lock the PHX pilots out of the Captain slots in PHL and CLT (unless they too are unwanted).

Simple... Take some 330s (new deliveries) and stick them in PHX.

Do that and you can have your precious NIC. We just want the attrition we brought to the party.

There will be a compromise boys and girls or we will ALL be looking for work.

Driver B)
 
How about this? We accept the NIC, but then add enough restrictions in the contract to take the teeth out of it. That OK? You have the NIC and East gets their attrition. Lock the East pilots out of PHX (unless the vacancies go unwanted) and lock the PHX pilots out of the Captain slots in PHL and CLT (unless they too are unwanted).

Simple... Take some 330s (new deliveries) and stick them in PHX.

Do that and you can have your precious NIC. We just want the attrition we brought to the party.

There will be a compromise boys and girls or we will ALL be looking for work.

Driver B)
Too far past that now. Nic will never work for safety reasons. I would expect a full page ad in the USA Today about how unsafe our cockpits would be. One argument, one accident, and it would all be over for everyone. Safety should always be number one. And that's the way it is, June 2, 2011.
 
How about this? We accept the NIC, but then add enough restrictions in the contract to take the teeth out of it. That OK? You have the NIC and East gets their attrition. Lock the East pilots out of PHX (unless the vacancies go unwanted) and lock the PHX pilots out of the Captain slots in PHL and CLT (unless they too are unwanted).

Simple... Take some 330s (new deliveries) and stick them in PHX.

Do that and you can have your precious NIC. We just want the attrition we brought to the party.

There will be a compromise boys and girls or we will ALL be looking for work.

Driver B)
What if the company is split up with the seperate contracts? With the F/A offer(insult), sorta looks that is the way this is going, add the proposed NY slot deal And the economic picture in the works, the early retirement/work thing is probably the future! MM!
 
I tossed that out there with the first cup of coffee and I got 4 responses:

3 East- all negative

1 West- positive with conditions (probably a deal breaker for most).


Kinda tells you where we are. Wouldn't hurt for everyone to do some soul searching before round two starts.

Driver B)
 
You mean the drunken CEO who was part of the team that brought our "real" bankrupt airline out of it's second bankruptcy.

Honest to god, Traitor; are you really as ignorant as you sound, or do you just play the role on the web board? You really do need to resign. Maybe your buddies out west will hire you.

V
 
There will be a compromise boys and girls or we will ALL be looking for work.

Driver B)
Right on Que...the Terroristic Threat if your demands are not met. Go ahead. Follow Mike Cleary straight into the Sniper's cross hairs. At some point during a hostage situation, the Hostage Taker will either eventually acquiesce peacefully, or escalate the situation to the point he get's his brains blown out. Either way, the Hostage taker never dictates the terms of the situation. Never. Here you have Mike Cleary and the gang of bumbling thugs promoting the most obvious, inarticulate Illegal work action in recent memory..."on board". Followed up by Mike Cleary single handedly filing a multi million dollar lawsuit against the Company for perceived status quo violations. That action alone has far reaching implications to the Company's D.J., the NMB, Contract Negotiations, and Addington DFRII. All of this and he CONSULTED NO ONE!!? :blink:

The Chief hostage taker, (Cleary and USCABA) are escalating the situation unchecked and as usual the hostages, (the West and the Sane East) are along for the ride with their careers held at gunpoint by a small group of acute idiots afflicted with Narcissistic Personality Disorder.

This is the labor union you expected? This half aborted mutant? Show me another Labor Union where one guy is granted unlimited power and access to the coffers. This truly is the North Korea of Labor Unions. Congratulations.

Anyway, make whatever idle threats you like. Nothing new here. Just know that the Legal system, (sniper) is going to put your crazed group of megalomaniacs to sleep before any damage is done. The Hostages can promise you that.
 
Right on Que...the Terroristic Threat if your demands are not met. Go ahead. Follow Mike Cleary straight into the Sniper's cross hairs. At some point during a hostage situation, the Hostage Taker will either eventually acquiesce peacefully, or escalate the situation to the point he get's his brains blown out. Either way, the Hostage taker never dictates the terms of the situation. Never. Here you have Mike Cleary and the gang of bumbling thugs promoting the most obvious, inarticulate Illegal work action in recent memory..."on board". Followed up by Mike Cleary single handedly filing a multi million dollar lawsuit against the Company for perceived status quo violations. That action alone has far reaching implications to the Company's D.J., the NMB, Contract Negotiations, and Addington DFRII. All of this and he CONSULTED NO ONE!!? :blink:

The Chief hostage taker, (Cleary and USCABA) are escalating the situation unchecked and as usual the hostages, (the West and the Sane East) are along for the ride with their careers held at gunpoint by a small group of acute idiots afflicted with Narcissistic Personality Disorder.

This is the labor union you expected? This half aborted mutant? Show me another Labor Union where one guy is granted unlimited power and access to the coffers. This truly is the North Korea of Labor Unions. Congratulations.

Anyway, make whatever idle threats you like. Nothing new here. Just know that the Legal system, (sniper) is going to put your crazed group of megalomaniacs to sleep before any damage is done. The Hostages can promise you that.

"Terroristic Threat" ??? You're a real drama queen, aren't you? I was just re-stating a postition that I've stated all along that my belief is the NIC and straight DOH are equally toxic.

Chalk that up as a West negative.

Driver B)
 
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