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Clear,

The company does not have to accept USAPA's seniority proposal and USAPA really doesn't care if they do or not. There is no significant difference to the pilot group as a whole between integrating by DOH or maintaining permanent separate operations. The new contract could even contain both DOH seniority lists and separate operations just like it does now (Status Quo). Seniority is zero sum and zero cost to both the company and the union.

The company is absolutely required by law to reach an agreement with USAPA and the only way they could legally avoid that obligation would be to liquidate the airline and exit the airline business. Both the company and USAPA have a common interest to eliminate cost inefficiencies in the new contract such as unnecessary deadheading and the costs of administering separate contract provisions. The company will agree to the lowest cost contract USAPA will accept and USAPA will accept the highest pay, benefit and working conditions package they can negotiate and get ratified by the pilot group. Seniority is zero cost and is really not a significant issue or obstacle to reaching a contract agreement for either side.

underpants

This is just what the doctor ordered. You dont mind if I copy your comment for court now do you?? This is the usapa play and by your very own admission you have just stated plainly that it is the intent of usapa to breach our agreement/contract. The only thing that will make this any better is for you to be a BPR member however its not at all necessary as it can be shown that thru your involvement with usapa you learned this. THANK YOU Underpants this is golden right here.

AWA320
 
I guess underpants doesnt know the RLA, the company is under no obligation to reach an agreement, they are only obligated to negotiate in good faith.

That is why self-help is in the RLA, the union is free to strike and the company is free to impose its own cba.

Miss that day in class?
 
The Transition Agreement was never meant to be used on a long term, nor devisive basis. We should all prosper equally moving forward. The hang-up is the East using their majority to avoid the implementation of the Nicolau Award. And we ALL will continue to stagnate until you 'get over' it and move on. I am not saying its easy for you. But its been settled using a neutral third party arbitrator.

It is true that the East will get a bigger increase in their pay proportionate to the West. How long will it take? It's up to you. IF you enjoy your low wages on principle, then dont complain to anyone about the predicament that you continue to put yourself in. A 3% raise for the West is pitiful. Considering that Spirit, Airtran, Allegiant, JetBlue make more than the West and WAY MORE than the East, 3% wont cut it.

When you are ready for a raise, tell the thugs running the East union called USAPA, to put up a contract to vote on. The company is ready. I am willing to bet that a contract that includes the Nicolau Award will pass on first try. There are many East pilots who would vote for it. Your thugs running the union are afraid of this.

USAPA = Al Qaeda

You truly are clueless if after all this time you continue to believe this dribble. There is no use repeating the reality. You may not like it but the Nic has been dead and buried. Everyone who has paid any attention understands this. Parker and Kirby understand this which is why they buried the concept of continuing with the 'contested' Nic list that he has said so many times would never be voted in. If you think that by constantly saying otherwise that it will somehow come true, have at it. In the end it won't matter anyway as regardless of who you believe, the reality is that even if it were forced, it would never pass. Anyone who leads to to believe otherwise is doing you a disservice. Personally, I believe it to be a mute point anyway as the distrust and bitter hatred that exists between the east and west is so divisive at this point that I doubt even the FAA would allow the two sides to ever be in the same aircraft.

V
 
I guess underpants doesnt know the RLA, the company is under no obligation to reach an agreement, they are only obligated to negotiate in good faith.

That is why self-help is in the RLA, the union is free to strike and the company is free to impose its own cba.

Miss that day in class?

Shhhhhhsh dont ruin it, I want it to be a suprise just like no snapbacks and no contract. Then when the breach of conteract suit hits that too will come outta nowhere.

AWA320
 
This is just what the doctor ordered. You dont mind if I copy your comment for court now do you?? This is the usapa play and by your very own admission you have just stated plainly that it is the intent of usapa to breach our agreement/contract. The only thing that will make this any better is for you to be a BPR member however its not at all necessary as it can be shown that thru your involvement with usapa you learned this. THANK YOU Underpants this is golden right here.

AWA320

You can't be serious. This is not even a good joke. You don't REALLY believe, even a little, that a comment made on a public web board by an anonymous poster could carry ANY weight at all in court? Do you?

You sir are one desperate individual.

Driver <_<
 
You don't REALLY believe, even a little, that a comment made on a public web board by an anonymous poster could carry ANY weight at all in court? Do you?

You sir are one desperate individual.

Driver <_<

Seeing as how it's a page from USAPA's playbook, that makes USAPA how desperate?

Jim
 
This is just what the doctor ordered. You dont mind if I copy your comment for court now do you?? This is the usapa play and by your very own admission you have just stated plainly that it is the intent of usapa to breach our agreement/contract. The only thing that will make this any better is for you to be a BPR member however its not at all necessary as it can be shown that thru your involvement with usapa you learned this. THANK YOU Underpants this is golden right here.

AWA320
Well okay I think you will have plenty of court time! MM USAPA seeks the following remedies: i) an award of its reasonable attorneys’
fees and costs arising from this motion; ii) an award of its reasonable attorneys’ fees and
6 And this in the context of constant threats of serial prosecution of “DFR II” and so on.
7 Another cost inflicted was the motion to transfer which was rejected (08-1633, Doc. # 66, p.
8) after co-defendants proffered case law that they had not researched adequately that did not
overcome the express wording of the local rule requiring a “pending” case.
Case 2:10-cv-01570-ROS Document 70 Filed 11/24/10 Page 21 of 24
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costs incurred by reason of having to defend against the Cross Claim in this action; iii)
that the Cross Claim be dismissed, with prejudice; iv) any other relief that the Court
deems warranted.
USAPA does not bring this motion to the Court lightly. It seeks only a remedy
that would deter the harm, which is the pressing of claims barred by the Ninth Circuit in
Addington, barred by the law of the case, and/or waived by these defendants. It has
incurred fees and expense directly related to defending against the barred Cross Claim.
It has brought this motion early, without delay and before more expenses could be
incurred, precisely to mitigate its injury.
This Court has jurisdiction to impose sanctions upon any party, or its counsel,
who has presented papers to it even where the Court determines that it lacks subject
matter jurisdiction. Willy v. Coastal Corp., 503 U.S. 131 (1992); Orange Prod. Credit
Ass’n v. Frontline Ventures, Ltd., 792 F.2d 797, 801 (9th Cir. 1986).8 This is true even
of the sanction of dismissal with prejudice. In re Exxon Valdez, 102 F.3d 429, 431 (9th
Cir. 1996); Caribbean Broadcasting Sys. v. Cable & Wireless PLC, 148 F.3d 1080,
1091 (D.C. Cir. 1998).
Similarly, the fact that an offending party has filed an appeal (or petition for
certiorari) is no bar to sanctions. See Mahone v. Ray, 326 F.3d 1176, 1180 (11th Cir.
2003); Val-Land Farms, Inc. v. Third Nat’l Bank, 937 F.2d 1110, 1117 (6th Cir. 1991);
8 Noting that monetary sanctions may not be awarded against a represented party for a violation
that consists of the assertion of unwarranted legal contention. Rule 11(c)(5)(A). No such bar
exists for sanctioning counsel, however.
Case PS maybe you can put some of that 40watt legal jargon for us small brain folk! MM!
 
Ignore what was poised to you. And in the 20 years previous the East has never gone out on strike, your group hasnt met a concession you havent liked.
What a bright lite you are. We had the best contract in the industry. I never worked more than 130-140 day a year in the 80's and 90's

we made mmoney than anyone and PI was right up their with us. How could you go on strike, The contract was done in a couple weeks.
 
The company is absolutely required by law to reach an agreement with USAPA[.]
Really?

What "law" is this?

Under labor law, management and unions are required to negotiate and bargain in good faith, but not necessarily to reach an agreement. (Hence strikes and lockouts.)

(ETA: Oops, I see 700UW beat me in making this point.)
 
So now you support newhire East pilots LEAPFROGGING the West pilots? What happened to your DOH Mantra?

Is it true the Cleary is trying to whore USAPA out to the Teamsters because USAPAs cashflow is getting low? Sure the Sec 29 letters are going out on the East, but it's not enough to cover the mess USAPA has created. 😱

It's nice to see how fully entrenched the East is. Ignornace is Bliss.

Enjoy those LOA93 benefits.



USAPA = We arent naive. Are we?
I SUPPORT EAST NEWHIRES LEAPFROGGING OVER THE BACKS OF THE WEST PILOTS

I SUPPORT EAST NEWHIRES LEAPFROGGING OVER THE BACKS OF THE WEST PILOTS

AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN
 
And its a good that Leonidas is preventing you from stealing from the West.

Final and Binding. Wheres this new contract? Afraid to put it up for a vote?


USAPA = THE laughing stock
Leonidas? you mean the captain of the S.S. Miinnow. Going down fast bow first.
 
Seeing as how it's a page from USAPA's playbook, that makes USAPA how desperate?

Jim

Your playbook is stapling everyone on the bottom of your own pilots list. Where was your high and mighty ethics during the Empire merger, when you were an ALPA rep.

ALPA is fired and impotent, get over it. Prater out Moak in. Moak looks, acts, and sees things the way prater did. ALPA, rest in peace date 2011.

ALPA president wanted another term
 
Clear,

If we are going to talk about hypothetical strikes that are not going to happen, we should point out all the facts.

An en masse West crossing of a legitimate usapa picket would not happen, but if it did, not only could the West fly east routes, the West could fly east airplanes. hmmm...how many West pilots plus management pilots would it take to keep the airline running?

Also, did you read the rule 11 filing yet? If I am reading it correctly, usapa is seeking legal fees from Pollsinelli, because Seham is accusing them of filling frivolous motions. I hope I am reading it correctly, and cannot wait for the judges smack down of Seham on this one.
Well if this is like anything else that has passed through that mind you are definately reading it wrong.
 
Your playbook is stapling everyone on the bottom of your own pilots list. Where was your high and mighty ethics during the Empire merger, when you were an ALPA rep.

In language MM will understand, your 2-watt thinking couldn't be more wrong... :lol:

Jim
 
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