US Pilots Labor Discussion

[mrbreeze]

9,

The company's DJ is not asking what usapa has to do, and Silver is not going to tell usapa what to do.

What we are going to learn from Silver is whether or not the company can be held liable with usapa when the "unquestionably ripe DFR" verdict finally materializes.

If the answere is ..well yes they can...it is called a hybrid DFR..has happened before..and would definitely happen again if the company and usapa pass a DOH contract.

Then the company will have to decide which is worse, losing hundreds of millions to West pilots, or firing dozens of disgruntled idiots who take out their frustrations on the corporation that kept them from the unemployment line for the last 6 years.

Just had to throw in the negative BS at the end, eh? Not helping anything.

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

Discovery is complete. There is nothing to manage. Why don't you pay attention to this cr@#?

YES the discovery is compllete documents filed( A YEARS WORTH) ! I am sure your ENCYCLOPEDIA BRITANICA is complete also, but I doubt you read it! Where do you come up with this cr$%! MM

 

[traderjake]

AOL.......................................................Army OF Leadusunhireables!

Another East "God's gift to aviation" speaks.

 

[RSVP767]

9,

The company's DJ is not asking what usapa has to do, and Silver is not going to tell usapa what to do.

What we are going to learn from Silver is whether or not the company can be held liable with usapa when the "unquestionably ripe DFR" verdict finally materializes.

If the answere is ..well yes they can...it is called a hybrid DFR..has happened before..and would definitely happen again if the company and usapa pass a DOH contract.

Then the company will have to decide which is worse, losing hundreds of millions to West pilots, or firing dozens of disgruntled idiots who take out their frustrations on the corporation that kept them from the unemployment line for the last 6 years.

Wow......I smell sour grapes!

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

Another East "God's gift to aviation" speaks.

Well thanx, but that comment DAN is truly well recognized, with all my outside interest's and other aviation jobs(compensation), I thought no one noticed! Thanx, MM! BTW keep up the good work, who knows you could even be a spokesman for "SHAMWOW"! with some work.

 

[cleardirect]

YES the discovery is compllete documents filed( A YEARS WORTH) ! I am sure your ENCYCLOPEDIA BRITANICA is complete also, but I doubt you read it! Where do you come up with this cr$%! MM

Let me understand your world. A federal judge keeps the case. This is the third judge for the case BTW through the mundane discovery portion of the case. But as soon as discovery is done and the trial portion should start he hands it off to a magistrate. Sounds to me like they found nothing and the judge has better things to do with his time. when is that scheduling conference going to be? What not scheduled yet.

BTW how is that MDA case coming along? You know the one that is also sitting with a magistrate. Didn't a couple of you east guys predict that ALPA would be writing a big check and the MDA guys were going to kill the Nicolau award. Has that trial even been scheduled yet? NO! Color me surprised.

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

Let me understand your world. A federal judge keeps the case. This is the third judge for the case BTW through the mundane discovery portion of the case. But as soon as discovery is done and the trial portion should start he hands it off to a magistrate. Sounds to me like they found nothing and the judge has better things to do with his time. when is that scheduling conference going to be? What not scheduled yet.

BTW how is that MDA case coming along? You know the one that is also sitting with a magistrate. Didn't a couple of you east guys predict that ALPA would be writing a big check and the MDA guys were going to kill the Nicolau award. Has that trial even been scheduled yet? NO! Color me surprised.

Well maybe you better check your hearing, sometimes handing off of something sometimes shows denial of affiliation, As far as MDA sorta like a CHESS PIECE, when one gets moved the other is put into play, BTW how much discovery was done in the BERNIE MADOFF case?, years of SEC deciet , scandal , corruption, head turning by the voters choice candidates, sorta 10 foot pole cases no one with a career in politics wants to touch! Well when DFR2 goes so does MDA, like a duet! Color us not surprised at all!

 

[cleardirect]

Well maybe you better check your hearing, sometimes handing off of something sometimes shows denial of affiliation, As far as MDA sorta like a CHESS PIECE, when one gets moved the other is put into play, BTW how much discovery was done in the BERNIE MADOFF case?, years of SEC deciet , scandal , corruption, head turning by the voters choice candidates, sorta 10 foot pole cases no one with a career in politics wants to touch! Well when DFR2 goes so does MDA, like a duet! Color us not surprised at all!

It does not surprise you that NOTHING has been done in a year in the MDA case? Really! The magistrate is sitting on all of the motions for summary judgment. Waiting to decide if this case is dead now before the trial or if a trail needs to be scheduled sometime in the distant future.

You are trying to compare the MDA case to Bernie Madoff? Sure think a lot of yourself don't you.

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

It does not surprise you that NOTHING has been done in a year in the MDA case? Really! The magistrate is sitting on all of the motions for summary judgment. Waiting to decide if this case is dead now before the trial or if a trail needs to be scheduled sometime in the distant future.

You are trying to compare the MDA case to Bernie Madoff? Sure think a lot of yourself don't you.

NO , maybe you should check your hearing, BERNIE was compared to the PENSION INVESTIGATION, it is easy to see why the WEST gets confused, sorta like the furlough recall and overpay for training misunderstandings! MM!

 

[cleardirect]

NO , maybe you should check your hearing, BERNIE was compared to the PENSION INVESTIGATION, it is easy to see why the WEST gets confused, sorta like the furlough recall and overpay for training misunderstandings! MM!

Well maybe you better check your hearing, sometimes handing off of something sometimes shows denial of affiliation, As far as MDA sorta like a CHESS PIECE, when one gets moved the other is put into play, BTW how much discovery was done in the BERNIE MADOFF case?, years of SEC deciet , scandal , corruption, head turning by the voters choice candidates, sorta 10 foot pole cases no one with a career in politics wants to touch! Well when DFR2 goes so does MDA, like a duet! Color us not surprised at all!

I guess only in your world was the pension case implied. You went from MDA to Bernie Madoff. Look I can be in your head to try and figure out what you think you are trying to say. It would be a scary place anyway. where in your post did you say anything about pension?

I think you better check your thinking.

 

[mikey60]

Would someone out west check lost and found and see if you can find Ames.... he has a story to tell.

 

[Code Name V]

Like ever prediction you've made on the board?

You must mean, 'like every prediction USA320pilot has ever made on the board?' That moron has backed the wrong horse for 20 years and there are still pilots that believe his rants. Just goes to show the desperation of those that will continue to want to believe regardless of the lack of credibility of the source.

I remind you of how emphatic he has been over the years and how many of our people lost literally millions by listening to him. Now the west will continue to lose millions by doing the same.

What is it they say about doing the same thing and expecting a different result?

Get real or get lost.

V

 

[end_of_alpa]

First, cameras have been in the PHX crew room since it was built a few years ago. Nothing new there. Guess the thieves in CLT are going to have to go shopping somewhere else.

Why the fear of Jerry Glass? The west has worked with him before. Could it be that usapa and the all rookie NAC has no idea what they are doing? If Glass is going to push back on the contract are you guys not safe and secure in the knowledge the the grievance chair is there to protect you all? If she was any good there should be no fear. Why are you all shaking in your shoes over Jerry Glass. Has he kicked your asses so bad before? usapa is different right? usapa is the master of the world and all they see right? At least that is what they have been telling you guys for 3 years. Glass should be shaking in his shoes over the great and powerful usapa. Unless...

Glass is going to push to complete the merger not divide it like you wish. Parker got into this to merge not to put up with the antics of the east just to break it up. Judge Silver is going to decide and we are going to move forward. With or without the east pilots. You guys can fall on the floor and kick and scream like 2 year olds but this will merge and move forward.

You can't get a RATIFIED CBA until you have......A VOTE. Got "Glass"? So what. Glass has no more power over negotiations if and unless he decides to get the company to come to THEIR senses. Actually, the fear YOU perceive....could it be the COMPANY'S FEAR you smell? If he's coming back it's only for one reason: the COMPANY can't get their negotiating posture on tract. That much is apparently clear.

You got Parker. So....uh....how's that working out for us? Last PHX crew news reveals that direction.

It will eventually merge, that's for sure.

Good luck.

 

[end_of_alpa]

You must mean, 'like every prediction USA320pilot has ever made on the board?' That moron has backed the wrong horse for 20 years and there are still pilots that believe his rants. Just goes to show the desperation of those that will continue to want to believe regardless of the lack of credibility of the source.

I remind you of how emphatic he has been over the years and how many of our people lost literally millions by listening to him. Now the west will continue to lose millions by doing the same.

What is it they say about doing the same thing and expecting a different result?

Get real or get lost.

V

The number of "those pilots" have been shrinking due to retirements, disatisfaction with his "unbias" facts, and his failure to come up with "cogent" arguments. CM, the "caped maraurader, or "he who shall not be named" is fervently followed by the by the small minions like traitor jak who doesn't seem to value anything in the pilot groups cohesivness that gets consumated by....wait for it.....A VOTE!

The TYRANNY of the MINORITY.....AOL.....suiing for a vote they cannot have. UNTI-UNIONISM at it's finest.

Good luck

 

[cleardirect]

You can't get a RATIFIED CBA until you have......A VOTE. Got "Glass"? So what. Glass has no more power over negotiations if and unless he decides to get the company to come to THEIR senses. Actually, the fear YOU perceive....could it be the COMPANY'S FEAR you smell? If he's coming back it's only for one reason: the COMPANY can't get their negotiating posture on tract. That much is apparently clear.

You got Parker. So....uh....how's that working out for us? Last PHX crew news reveals that direction.

It will eventually merge, that's for sure.

Good luck.

The companies fear? Really! What has the company got to be afraid of? A weak mislead union? An all rookie untrained NAC? A split pilot group? An east group of pilots with an overinflated sense of self worth and importance? An east pilot group working on an illegal job action?

As far as getting their neg posture back on tract. Better check with King Cleary. He just filed a law suit saying that the company is stalling neg. So what is it? Is the company stalling on purpose and in control or does the company really want a contract they just don't know what they are doing. Therefore making Cleary wrong for filing the law suit and wating dues money.