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WE luv that MOUNTAINS of evidence, let me guess it will say" WE STOLE THIS INFO AND GUESS WHAT WE THINK WE FOUND!" You truly are a bunch of morons, no one wants a PHX hub, you have no value, and DP will not be able to put HUMPTY together, you played your cards and risked it all, when the music stops those you influenced will be holding the short straw!
Gee touchy tonight, lots of name calling. Some unexpected bills come due or something? Maybe you are one of the "tips of the spear" that usapa will be unable to protect.

Could retirement come early and forced for you?
 
Charlotte



Charlotte Domicile Update
Thursday, June 23, 2011
Hostile Work Environment

"Everyone at US Airways and particularly those who have a voice in compensation, promotion or work assignments must avoid conduct that could appear improper. Suggestions or inferences that an employee's response to discrimination or unlawful harassment will affect his or her employment, wages, advancement, assignments, or any other benefit or condition of employment, are prohibited and will not be tolerated. Should such behavior occur, appropriate disciplinary action will be taken Discipline may include suspension, demotion or termination. Any employee who feels that he or she has been subjected to unlawful discrimination or harassment should promptly report the matter to his or her Station Manager or department head, any Human Resources Manager, or the Sr. Vice President of People, Communication and Culture."

The above quote is taken directly out of the Code of Ethics and defines the Hostile Work Environment Policies of US Airways in the Human Resources manual. As Professional Pilots we are being subjected to obvious threats and intimidation while on duty from many sectors which cross the lines of the above definitions. We have reports of agent supervisors, mechanic supervisors, and management personnel that are directly interfering with our flight crews in their defined job performance and are actually verbally threatening as well as writing abusive reports that have led to investigations. We have seen our pilots brought into the Chief Pilot's office for hearings as well as so-called "fact finding meetings" that we deem to be harassment and intimidation by flight department management. We have personally seen Captain Ed Schmidt hiding in the PHL crew room (lying flat on his belly on top of crew bags in the bag stowage area) attempting to overhear pilot conversations during crew room visits. Captain Schmidt has also been observed in the ramp tower in CLT the last few weeks attempting to spy on our pilots as they perform their duties. His observations have generated meetings for at least 9 of your peers to the Chief Pilot's office to address what Ed has thought he has witnessed. In fact Ed Schmidt has falsely accused our pilots of taxiing too slow, supposedly sitting off the gate for excessive periods of time and writing up legitimate discrepancies in the FDML. Lyle Hogg has actually accused our professional pilots of a "job action" because of Management's failures and inabilities to run an airline. Without doing their homework the false accusations as well as attempted intimidation of our pilots has brought us to a new low in Safety Culture. Our pilots are being subjected to a hostile work environment that borders on discrimination because a group of former airline pilots with half the experience of any line pilot in CLT think they can run your cockpit from the ramp tower. They are second guessing -- Monday morning quarterbacking, if you will -- your every move while you make decisions concerning the operation of your aircraft. This threatening behavior is demonstrative of the failed Safety Culture of our airline in addition to creating the hostile work environment defined above. The piece de resistance of this behavior can be seen in the following CBS message (all caps means they are yelling at you) generated to the pilot group last month. This message along with all the behaviors mentioned above clearly in our minds crosses every line of threats and intimidation of the above policy statement:

FROM: CORBUSIER. J.

SUBJECT: DISTANCE LEARNING COMPLETION

I AM ISSUING YOU A DIRECT WORK ORDER TO COMPLETE YOUR DISTANCE LEARNING TRAINING BY THE ESTABLISHED DEADLINE OF MIDNIGHT MAY31, 2011. FAILURE TO COMPLETE YOUR DISTANCE LEARNING BY THE ESTABLISHED DEADLINE MAY RESULT IN DISCIPLINE UP TO AND INCLUDING TERMINATION OF YOUR EMPLOYMENT. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS PLEASE CALL THE OFFICE.

CAPTAIN SKIP PATE
CLT CHIEF PILOT

We have never witnessed such behaviors at our airline and this is not only a defined change in the status quo at US Airways but is the definition of a hostile and intimidating work environment. As Professional Airline Pilots we are all constantly being pushed towards the "red" in the threat and error management Volant model by a hostile management team that not only fails to understand our work environment but refuses input. This while they constantly seek to punish rather than look for cooperative solutions from those that are entrusted to fly their jets, as we carry on our shoulders the ultimate responsibilities of operating a safe airline.

Each and every one of you should hold your head high as you have maintained control of your cockpits and working environment from those that threaten the safety of our profession and our airline. Dr. Terry von Thaden and the Illumia Corporation's Safety Culture Survey clearly states that it is your professionalism and experience that has prevented the human factors disaster that US Airways' safety culture and management style propagates. Thank you all, and especially those of you that have been recently been placed on the tip of the spear and subjected to the harassment and intimidation of the Tempe mindset. You, ladies and gentlemen, are heroes in our eyes, standing up to Team Tempe's intimidation campaign as they attempt to gain control of your cockpits. Each of us owe those of you that have been placed on that spear tip our gratitude and appreciation for standing up for our profession. Our crews are the masters and true professionals of their flights, and we must maintain control of our flight operations. Those that hold management positions have lost touch with our profession and fail to comprehend the effect their adverse behaviors have on the Safety Culture of our airline.

We expect more actions from Management, and more quality time being spent in the office representing our pilots from the hearings being ordered from Team Tempe. Thus far, the following Charlotte pilots have sustained the threats and intimidation delivered by our management team:

Captain Hank Ratliff

Captain Mike Gearing

Captain Tom Jellar

Captain Rick Taylor

Captain Randy Sands

Captain Tom White

Captain Tip Airey

Captain Stan Parker

Captain Darrell Webb

We consider each of you heroes of your profession and we will not waver in our efforts to defend and protect all of our pilots from the flawed safety culture behaviors of an aggressive unresponsive management team that simply fails to get it. Your union did not make the decision to call for the termination of VP Safety Paul Morell in a vacuum -- all of the actions taken by the Company show you why he must go.
 
Gee touchy tonight, lots of name calling. Some unexpected bills come due or something? Maybe you are one of the "tips of the spear" that usapa will be unable to protect.

Could retirement come early and forced for you?
OH MR KING OF CALMNESS F, OFF , RETIREMENT to me yes!, UNEMPLOYMENT TO YOU PROBABLY! MM!
 
Save your keystrokes SCAB. You idiots were way....way....WAY to transparent when you formed this illegal mob. It's all documented, it's all readily available when needed. There is no doubt, in ANYBODY'S mind why USCABA was formed. The bottom line is a handful of hard core maniacs convinced enough desperate folks that they had the solution. You were abjectly, flatly, wrong. You created a quagmire that has caused irreparable, permanent harm to you and your like minded cronies careers. The only thing concerning you is your Narcissistic Rage and the certitude of your importance. You're Effin' crazy. Just like Bi-polar Cleary. A Jury Blew up all of your pathetic little arguments in less than 90 minutes of deliberation. They absolutely, positively will find so again if the need arises. I can promise you that.

You have painted yourself into a corner and your plan has been an epic failure. You are directly responsible for the fleecing of hundreds of millions of dollars from your "brothers and sisters" and you're either too stupid or too Crazy to allow the course to be Altered. Your fake Union is run like North Korea. Is that what you "founding dipsh*ts" had in mind? :lol: :lol:


Guess it sucks to be you then.
 
Charlotte



Charlotte Domicile Update
Thursday, June 23, 2011
Hostile Work Environment

"Everyone at US Airways and particularly those who have a voice in compensation, promotion or work assignments must avoid conduct that could appear improper. Suggestions or inferences that an employee's response to discrimination or unlawful harassment will affect his or her employment, wages, advancement, assignments, or any other benefit or condition of employment, are prohibited and will not be tolerated. Should such behavior occur, appropriate disciplinary action will be taken Discipline may include suspension, demotion or termination. Any employee who feels that he or she has been subjected to unlawful discrimination or harassment should promptly report the matter to his or her Station Manager or department head, any Human Resources Manager, or the Sr. Vice President of People, Communication and Culture."

The above quote is taken directly out of the Code of Ethics and defines the Hostile Work Environment Policies of US Airways in the Human Resources manual. As Professional Pilots we are being subjected to obvious threats and intimidation while on duty from many sectors which cross the lines of the above definitions. We have reports of agent supervisors, mechanic supervisors, and management personnel that are directly interfering with our flight crews in their defined job performance and are actually verbally threatening as well as writing abusive reports that have led to investigations. We have seen our pilots brought into the Chief Pilot's office for hearings as well as so-called "fact finding meetings" that we deem to be harassment and intimidation by flight department management. We have personally seen Captain Ed Schmidt hiding in the PHL crew room (lying flat on his belly on top of crew bags in the bag stowage area) attempting to overhear pilot conversations during crew room visits. Captain Schmidt has also been observed in the ramp tower in CLT the last few weeks attempting to spy on our pilots as they perform their duties. His observations have generated meetings for at least 9 of your peers to the Chief Pilot's office to address what Ed has thought he has witnessed. In fact Ed Schmidt has falsely accused our pilots of taxiing too slow, supposedly sitting off the gate for excessive periods of time and writing up legitimate discrepancies in the FDML. Lyle Hogg has actually accused our professional pilots of a "job action" because of Management's failures and inabilities to run an airline. Without doing their homework the false accusations as well as attempted intimidation of our pilots has brought us to a new low in Safety Culture. Our pilots are being subjected to a hostile work environment that borders on discrimination because a group of former airline pilots with half the experience of any line pilot in CLT think they can run your cockpit from the ramp tower. They are second guessing -- Monday morning quarterbacking, if you will -- your every move while you make decisions concerning the operation of your aircraft. This threatening behavior is demonstrative of the failed Safety Culture of our airline in addition to creating the hostile work environment defined above. The piece de resistance of this behavior can be seen in the following CBS message (all caps means they are yelling at you) generated to the pilot group last month. This message along with all the behaviors mentioned above clearly in our minds crosses every line of threats and intimidation of the above policy statement:

FROM: CORBUSIER. J.

SUBJECT: DISTANCE LEARNING COMPLETION

I AM ISSUING YOU A DIRECT WORK ORDER TO COMPLETE YOUR DISTANCE LEARNING TRAINING BY THE ESTABLISHED DEADLINE OF MIDNIGHT MAY31, 2011. FAILURE TO COMPLETE YOUR DISTANCE LEARNING BY THE ESTABLISHED DEADLINE MAY RESULT IN DISCIPLINE UP TO AND INCLUDING TERMINATION OF YOUR EMPLOYMENT. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS PLEASE CALL THE OFFICE.

CAPTAIN SKIP PATE
CLT CHIEF PILOT

We have never witnessed such behaviors at our airline and this is not only a defined change in the status quo at US Airways but is the definition of a hostile and intimidating work environment. As Professional Airline Pilots we are all constantly being pushed towards the "red" in the threat and error management Volant model by a hostile management team that not only fails to understand our work environment but refuses input. This while they constantly seek to punish rather than look for cooperative solutions from those that are entrusted to fly their jets, as we carry on our shoulders the ultimate responsibilities of operating a safe airline.

Each and every one of you should hold your head high as you have maintained control of your cockpits and working environment from those that threaten the safety of our profession and our airline. Dr. Terry von Thaden and the Illumia Corporation's Safety Culture Survey clearly states that it is your professionalism and experience that has prevented the human factors disaster that US Airways' safety culture and management style propagates. Thank you all, and especially those of you that have been recently been placed on the tip of the spear and subjected to the harassment and intimidation of the Tempe mindset. You, ladies and gentlemen, are heroes in our eyes, standing up to Team Tempe's intimidation campaign as they attempt to gain control of your cockpits. Each of us owe those of you that have been placed on that spear tip our gratitude and appreciation for standing up for our profession. Our crews are the masters and true professionals of their flights, and we must maintain control of our flight operations. Those that hold management positions have lost touch with our profession and fail to comprehend the effect their adverse behaviors have on the Safety Culture of our airline.

We expect more actions from Management, and more quality time being spent in the office representing our pilots from the hearings being ordered from Team Tempe. Thus far, the following Charlotte pilots have sustained the threats and intimidation delivered by our management team:

Captain Hank Ratliff

Captain Mike Gearing

Captain Tom Jellar

Captain Rick Taylor

Captain Randy Sands

Captain Tom White

Captain Tip Airey

Captain Stan Parker

Captain Darrell Webb

We consider each of you heroes of your profession and we will not waver in our efforts to defend and protect all of our pilots from the flawed safety culture behaviors of an aggressive unresponsive management team that simply fails to get it. Your union did not make the decision to call for the termination of VP Safety Paul Morell in a vacuum -- all of the actions taken by the Company show you why he must go.
Come on now. Step up and be the first in your base to put your head on the block. I like how it says "efforts" not certain they can protect you but they will make an effort. Would that be by the same grievance chair that can not figure out how to finish a grievance? 500 and building. But if you guys think you want to put your career in her hands give it try.

Called for Morell's termination. How is that empty threat working out to you guys? Toothless paper tiger usapa. All meow, no bite. Are these guys serious? The last line makes me laugh. The action shows YOU why he must go. Boys singing to the choir does no good. You all are like bobble heads. King cleary says something and you all nod your heads full of straw. But YOU don't have the horsepower or authority to fire management. YOU are not running this airline. I know you guys like to think you are but no. Sadly you have trouble running your own lives.
 
😀 You have a good night. You may not feel very well in the morning. Hope you are not scheduled to fly.
OH those implications, you really are so stupid you don't see how those implications of TRANSFERENCE do not apply, address the issues moron! MM! BTW get your video out, sooner than you think, man it is still hot out here!
 
Just a little heads up CLEAR, you and luvn thanx, it was a topic in PARIS, THANX for the post! MM! SMS!
 
You mean the case where going from an established D-O-H list (dovetailing) that was solidified in an established and voted on CBA to an endtailing list?

Barton brands stands for the principle that changing from a DOH list to and entailing one after an established seniority integration can create a DFR against those affected, usually in favor of the minority.

"In summary, since the established seniority rights of a minority of the Barton employees have been abridged by the 1972 collective bargaining agreement for no apparent reason other than political expediency, there seem to be sufficient grounds in this case to support the Board order. We thus are remanding the case to the Board for a determination whether the Union violated its duty of fair representation, and thus committed an unfair labor practice, by successfully negotiating for the endtailing proposal. In making its determination, the Board should consider that in order to be absolved of liability the Union must show some objective justification for its conduct beyond that of placating the desires of the majority of the unit employees at the expense of the minority."

Strike one. Give me another.
Are you kidding? This case isn't about doh but seniority being taken from the minority by the majority regardless if that seniority is doh or something else. In fact on the air Wisconsin/ Mississippi valley lawsuit where the air whiskey guys envisioned doing the same as usapa has done, the judge referenced barton and said that had they been successful in their plan to oust alpa to change seniority lists they would have been in dfr. Don't let the facts get in your way.
 
Are you kidding? This case isn't about doh but seniority being taken from the minority by the majority regardless if that seniority is doh or something else. In fact on the air Wisconsin/ Mississippi valley lawsuit where the air whiskey guys envisioned doing the same as usapa has done, the judge referenced barton and said that had they been successful in their plan to oust alpa to change seniority lists they would have been in dfr. Don't let the facts get in your way.
"We leave aside the merit of this contention beyond noting that an attempt by a majority of the employees in a collective bargaining unit to gang up against a minority of employees in the fashion apparently envisaged by the plaintiffs could itself be thought a violation of the duty of fair representation by the union that the majority used as its tool. Alvey v. General Electric Co., 622 F.2d 1279, 1289-90 (7th Cir.1980)."

What was"the fashion apparently envisioned by the plaintiffs" ?

Answer is found in Alvey v. General Electric:

....."interest of laid-off workers in matters that will alter or effectively extinguish their recall rights is a most vital one. Recall rights represent the laid-off employees' only hope of once again pursuing their livelihood in the company where they have been employed and have acquired a degree of seniority."

".....laid-off employees did not voluntarily withdraw and the union did not expel or suspend them, they are "members" and therefore protected by the equal rights guarantee of section 411, subject to the union's reasonable rules and regulations."


"....the good standing provision as applied by the union to preclude laid-off members from voting on matters affecting their recall rights is of no force or effect."

What the Air Wisconsin pilots evidently aimed to accomplish according to Judge Posner was that to deny furloughed pilots, the East furloughed pilots, a right to a voice and a right to a vote is in on of itself a DFR violation, one that ALPA aimed to do with ALPA merger policy. It is an LMRDA violation. Air Wisconsin supports our position....not yours. They wanted to deny the minority group of pilots their right to a voice and a vote....something USAPA never did to the West pilots. You were entitled and encouraged to join, even though you didn't want too.

Strike two.....Next
 
"END OF ALPA " although his views expressed are soley of the bretheren he lies, " I AM JJ " MM! He speaks volumes of truth!
 
"We leave aside the merit of this contention beyond noting that an attempt by a majority of the employees in a collective bargaining unit to gang up against a minority of employees in the fashion apparently envisaged by the plaintiffs could itself be thought a violation of the duty of fair representation by the union that the majority used as its tool. Alvey v. General Electric Co., 622 F.2d 1279, 1289-90 (7th Cir.1980)."

What was"the fashion apparently envisioned by the plaintiffs" ?

Answer is found in Alvey v. General Electric:

....."interest of laid-off workers in matters that will alter or effectively extinguish their recall rights is a most vital one. Recall rights represent the laid-off employees' only hope of once again pursuing their livelihood in the company where they have been employed and have acquired a degree of seniority."

".....laid-off employees did not voluntarily withdraw and the union did not expel or suspend them, they are "members" and therefore protected by the equal rights guarantee of section 411, subject to the union's reasonable rules and regulations."


"....the good standing provision as applied by the union to preclude laid-off members from voting on matters affecting their recall rights is of no force or effect."

What the Air Wisconsin pilots evidently aimed to accomplish according to Judge Posner was that to deny furloughed pilots, the East furloughed pilots, a right to a voice and a right to a vote is in on of itself a DFR violation, one that ALPA aimed to do with ALPA merger policy. It is an LMRDA violation. Air Wisconsin supports our position....not yours. They wanted to deny the minority group of pilots their right to a voice and a vote....something USAPA never did to the West pilots. You were entitled and encouraged to join, even though you didn't want too.

Strike two.....Next
Wow, you are truly delusional if that is your "read" read of both those cases.


In summary, since the established seniority rights of a minority of the Barton employees have been abridged by the 1972 collective bargaining agreement for no apparent reason other than political expediency,
This statement from barton fits usapa to perfectly, in fact seeham vigorously argues that usapa's doh policy is for political expediency since the Nic. will not be ratified by the east. Of course this is in direct violation of what barton stands for.
 
Wow, you are truly delusional if that is your "read" read of both those cases.



This statement from barton fits usapa to perfectly, in fact seeham vigorously argues that usapa's doh policy is for political expediency since the Nic. will not be ratified by the east. Of course this is in direct violation of what barton stands for.
HEY CLOWN BOY, take some stock in your conviction and send out the cards, or for better words you are a clown, we laugh at your stupidity! MM!
 
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