US Pilots Labor Discussion

[HPearlyretiree]

Unlike AWA, right? I mean, they had a vast wide body fleet, extensive international flying, no ATSB loan, a boat load of cash, and a stellar customer relations reputation.

And you had widebodies! How impressive! You were days away from your widebodies being turned into beer cans.

Old saying about folks in glass houses throwing stones...? USAirways was embalmbed, in the coffin and lowered in the hole and dirt was starting to fill the hole and you were starting to smell. Shame on America West for taking a chance at the discount bin at the dollar store, it wasn't worth it. The joke is how entitled you all act when you had nothing in your future but working in car washes, Wal-Mart and hardware stores.

 

[nic4us]

You have a strange take on how long this company has been in existence. You are the only person I have ever heard who believes a company is reincarnated when it comes out of bankruptcy, issues new stock and merges with another company.

You have an even stranger recollection of what happened.

Proving my point about still not understanding the situation that you are in, to this day.

 

[cynic]

Imagine what would have happened if the merger had been set up as an asset purchase instead of trying to do the right thing and saving the east as a whole. You know, like what Republic just did did to Midwest a couple years ago. Draw down the East flying and replace it with new people at entry level wages. There would have been no seniority integration problems and the inevitable labor issues would have been temporary, and likely over long before now. Morale would be great as everyone would have moved up the list pretty quickly as they staffed up to replace the east pilots and there would have been a lot of "new" flying for the west pilots. I don't think management would make the same mistake if they had any idea of how this has turned out so far.

 

[end_of_alpa]

US Airways prior to 2005 was never a great airline. It was a a regional airline with some international flying.

And to this day east people still think there company is still here. It is not. It ended with the merger. Unfortunately the people in Tempe thought it would be a good idea to keep the name. Boy was that their second big mistake.

Here we go again....who bought who......you lose!

" On September 27, 2005, US Airways Group, Inc. (US Airways Group) consummated the transactions contemplated by its plan of reorganization, including the merger transaction with America West Holdings Corporation (America West Holdings). As a result of the merger, America West Holdings became a wholly owned subsidiary of US Airways Group. As described in greater detail in Notes 1 and 2, while the merger was structured such that US Airways Group was the legal acquirer, the merger has been accounted for as a reverse acquisition such that America West Holdings has been treated as the accounting acquirer. Financial information for periods prior to the merger include the accounts and activities of America West Holdings. America West Holdings is the holding company that owns all of the stock of America West Airlines, Inc. (AWA). This combined Form 10-Q is filed by both US Airways Group and AWA and includes the financial statements of each company in Item 1A and Item 1B, respectively.” Form 10-Q Quarterly Report, September 30, 2005.

“The accompanying unaudited condensed consolidated financial statements include the accounts of America West Airlines, Inc. (AWA), a wholly owned subsidiary of America West Holdings Corporation (America West Holdings). On September 27, 2005, America West Holdings merged with Barbell Acquisition Corp., a wholly owned subsidiary of US Airways Group, Inc. (US Airways Group), and as a result itself became a wholly owned subsidiary of US Airways. Form 10-Q Quarterly Report, September 30, 2005.

Can we please put this myth to rest? Your just doing this to annoy everyone....right?

 

[end_of_alpa]

Imagine what would have happened if the merger had been set up as an asset purchase instead of trying to do the right thing and saving the east as a whole. You know, like what Republic just did did to Midwest a couple years ago. Draw down the East flying and replace it with new people at entry level wages. There would have been no seniority integration problems and the inevitable labor issues would have been temporary, and likely over long before now. Morale would be great as everyone would have moved up the list pretty quickly as they staffed up to replace the east pilots and there would have been a lot of "new" flying for the west pilots. I don't think management would make the same mistake if they had any idea of how this has turned out so far.

Doug Parker, US Airways company webcast for Pilots dated 7/20/06

" Legally, it's an acquisition by US Airways, the legal structure that we kept in place is US Airways Group remained as an entity and America West is a subsidiary of US Airways Group. So from a purely legal structure, the real deal is, we can't lie about this, IT WAS A MERGER.

What happened is we had two companies neither of which could acquire the other one, some people put in a BUNCH of new money to put them together, and merge them, yeah I'm still CEO, yeah we had more board members, yes because we had a solvent company, we got more of the value of the merger than US Airways creditors did, because we had shareholders that had a share in it too, and we got a higher percentage (of the shares) but when it was all done, the new money CONTROLLED the entity. They had many more shares than America West shareholders did, and many more than US Airways creditors did. I might have these numbers a little off but to my recollection it was like 10 percent went to US Airways creditors, almost thirty percent to America West shareholders and all the rest was in new money do, it's a merger, it's just what it is, I can't go around lying about it, it's what it was.

 

[cynic]

Doug Parker, US Airways company webcast for Pilots dated 7/20/06

" Legally, it's an acquisition by US Airways, the legal structure that we kept in place is US Airways Group remained as an entity and America West is a subsidiary of US Airways Group. So from a purely legal structure, the real deal is, we can't lie about this, IT WAS A MERGER.

What happened is we had two companies neither of which could acquire the other one, some people put in a BUNCH of new money to put them together, and merge them, yeah I'm still CEO, yeah we had more board members, yes because we had a solvent company, we got more of the value of the merger than US Airways creditors did, because we had shareholders that had a share in it too, and we got a higher percentage (of the shares) but when it was all done, the new money CONTROLLED the entity. They had many more shares than America West shareholders did, and many more than US Airways creditors did. I might have these numbers a little off but to my recollection it was like 10 percent went to US Airways creditors, almost thirty percent to America West shareholders and all the rest was in new money do, it's a merger, it's just what it is, I can't go around lying about it, it's what it was.

No kidding. I was just pointing out that it could have been handled differently and the only people that would have been negatively impacted over the long term would have been east employees. I'm not lobbying for it, saying it did happen or any other nonsense. Simply saying that it could have happened.

 

[john john]

Imagine what would have happened if the merger had been set up as an asset purchase i

The purse strings Seabury Group realize and determine the deal. Left it up to Parker to put the operation together? Like every other major merger. Your pipe dream is a HP/RW/YV/EA style of thinking .

 

[Pi brat]

And you had widebodies! How impressive! You were days away from your widebodies being turned into beer cans.

Old saying about folks in glass houses throwing stones...? USAirways was embalmbed, in the coffin and lowered in the hole and dirt was starting to fill the hole and you were starting to smell. Shame on America West for taking a chance at the discount bin at the dollar store, it wasn't worth it. The joke is how entitled you all act when you had nothing in your future but working in car washes, Wal-Mart and hardware stores.

Hey bud, you should really keep up if you are going to throw rocks. I didn't cast the stone, I caught it and cast it back at the author. My post was a reply to the guy that said US wasn't much. It might not of been, but it was bigger and had more breadth than AWA. We had a few wide bodies that we managed to run over a period of time, unlike AWA's experiment that I believe you commented on. Yes, US was on the ropes, but YOUR mangers have said over and over that AWA wasn't too far behind and that AWA's business model no long worked!

Both sides needed the merger. A former AWA employee making fun of US is like a cancer patient just diagnosed making fun of one that is in the last stages of chemotherapy.

Someone embalmed cannot come back to life. If that had been the case I might agree with you and your buddies, but it wasn't. The patient was critical, but pulled through. You guys just think we should have been put in the coffin anyway, while you drove off with our cars.

The "we saved you" argument doesn't help anything. I understand the frustration of west people that feel that the east has an entitlement attitude. This board would lead you to that, but I and most of the US employees don't.

 

[ManDachine]

Imagine what would have happened if the merger had been set up as an asset purchase instead of trying to do the right thing and saving the east as a whole. You know, like what Republic just did did to Midwest a couple years ago. Draw down the East flying and replace it with new people at entry level wages. There would have been no seniority integration problems and the inevitable labor issues would have been temporary, and likely over long before now. Morale would be great as everyone would have moved up the list pretty quickly as they staffed up to replace the east pilots and there would have been a lot of "new" flying for the west pilots. I don't think management would make the same mistake if they had any idea of how this has turned out so far.

And you call us SCABS......

 

[Al Legheny]

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US Airways prior to 2005 was never a great airline. It was a a regional airline with some international flying.

And to this day east people still think there company is still here. It is not. It ended with the merger. Unfortunately the people in Tempe thought it would be a good idea to keep the name. Boy was that their second big mistake.
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Factual evidence suggests otherwise. Please look at the AQR or Air Quality Rankings for the years 1998 thur 2005. It is true that there was a rapid decline in quality in 2004 and beyond for US Airways. That was the post 9/11 Chapter 11 time, no doubt about it.

The reason for your misplaced perception of the industry might be that you were not around at that time? It's ancient history to you but Yesterday to those of us out East.

​

The Airline Quality Rating 2001

​

AIRLINE QUALITY RATING 2001

​

Brent D. Bowen, University of Nebraska at Omaha

​

Dean E. Headley, Wichita State University

​

Abstract
The Airline Quality Rating (AQR) was developed and first announced in early
1991 as an objective method of comparing airline quality on combined multiple
performance criteria. This current report, Airline Quality Rating 2001, reflects monthly
Airline Quality Rating scores for 2000. AQR scores for the calendar year 2000 are
based on 15 elements that focus on airline performance areas important to air travel consumers.

The Airline Quality Rating (AQR) is a weighted average of multiple elements (see
Table 1) important to consumers when judging the quality of airline services. Elements
considered for inclusion in the rating scale were screened to meet two basic criteria; 1)
an element must be obtainable from published data sources for each airline; and 2) an
element must have relevance to consumer concerns regarding airline quality. Data for
the elements used in calculating the ratings represent performance aspects (on-time
arrival, mishandled baggage, involuntary denied boardings, and 12 customer complaint
areas) of airlines that are important to consumers. All of the elements are reported in
the Air Travel Consumer Report maintained by the U.S. Department of Transportation.


Airline Quality Rating
Average AQR Scores*
2000 1999 1998
AQR Score Rank AQR Score Rank AQR Score Rank

2000 1999 1998
Alaska - 2 5 8
America West 10 8 6
American 6 7 3
Continental 7 2 2
Delta - 1 3 4
Northwest 5 4 9
Southwest 3 1 5
Trans World 8 9 7
United 9 10 10
U.S. Airways 4 6 1


So, Let’s see what the actual facts are here. America West for the three years 98,99,200 was last (10), 8 and 6. For the Same period US Airways was 1 (first), 6 and number 4.

In 2001 the report on US Airways was as follows: (#2)

US Airways shows improvement in all of the criteria tracked for 2001. This
improvement pulled the airline up to the second rated spot for 2001 from number four in
2000. Looking at some of the details reveals that US Airways performed better in on-time
arrival percentage (78.2% in 2001 compared to 72.3% in 2000), denied boarding rate (0.34 in
2001 compared to 0.65 in 2000), mishandled baggage rate (3.86 in 2001 compared to 4.76 in
2000), and customer complaint rate (1.87 in 2001 compared to 2.59 in 2000).

Consumer Complaints:
On average, the Department of Transportation received 2.11 consumer complaints per
100,000 passengers for the eleven largest carriers in 2001. The volume of complaints in
2001 represents a 29% decrease in the rate of complaints over the 2000 rate. These
complaints represent a wide range of areas, such as cancellations, delays, oversales,
reservation and ticketing problems, fares, refunds, customer treatment, unfair advertising,
and other general problems.
Airline with the highest complaint rate: America West (3.72).
http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/030407/dcm041_1.html

Press Release Source: US Airways

US Airways Ranks First in Annual Airline Quality Rating
Monday April 7, 5:06 pm ET

ARLINGTON, Va., April 7 /PRNewswire/ -- US Airways was ranked first for 2002 in the annual Airline Quality Rating announced today by the University of Nebraska and Wichita State University.

US Airways moved up from its second place ranking in 2001, showing improvement in three of the four criteria tracked last year. On-time arrivals rose to 83.4 percent, compared to 78.2 percent in 2001. The airline's mishandled baggage rate decreased to 2.95 per 1,000 passengers, down from 3.86 in 2001. Customer complaints were also down for 2002, with 1.13 per 100,000 passengers, compared to 1.87 in 2001. In the fourth major category, denied boardings, US Airways' performance was virtually unchanged.

"This is a great tribute to our employees who deserve to be nationally recognized for their devotion to customer service. I am honored to be a part of their team," said US Airways President and CEO Dave Siegel.

The Airline Quality Rating is an annual study conducted jointly by the University of Nebraska at Omaha and Wichita State University. Each airline's score is calculated based on data reported monthly in the U.S. Department of Transportation's Air Travel Consumer Report. The full Airline Quality Rating 2003 report is available online at unomaha.edu/~unoai/aqr.

US Airways, the US Airways Express carriers and US Airways Shuttle provide service to nearly 200 destinations worldwide, including 37 states in the U.S. In the Caribbean, US Airways serves Antigua, Aruba, Barbados, Belize, Bermuda, Cancun, Cozumel, Grand Bahama Island, Grand Cayman, Grenada, Montego Bay, Nassau, Providenciales, Punta Cana, San Juan, Santo Domingo, St. Kitts, St. Lucia, St. Thomas, St. Maarten and St. Croix. US Airways Express also serves North Eleuthera, Governors Harbour, Marsh Harbour and Treasure Cay from select cities in Florida. For more information on US Airways routes or fares, visit US Airways online at usairways.com or call US Airways Reservations at 800-428- 4322.


Source: US Airways

For 2002, America West made it to the top 5 with a score of 4.
In 2003, America West was #4 and US Airways was #5
In 2004 America West was #4 and US Airways was #5

Researchers at the University of Nebraska-Omaha and Wichita State University consider consumer-related data in ranking airlines each year.
Airline 2006 Rank 2005 Rank
Hawaiian *1 1 NA
JetBlue 2 1
AirTran 3 2
Frontier *1 4 NA
Northwest 5 7
Southwest 6 4
Continental 7 8
United 8 5
Alaska 9 9
American 10 10
ATA 11 11
Delta 12 12
US Airways 13 15
SkyWest 14 13
Mesa *1 15 NA
Comair 16 16
American Eagle 17 14
Atlantic Southeast 18 17
America West *2 NA 6
Independence Air *3 NA 3


The facts of the matter are that US Airways, had a pretty good reputation under Wolf and after 9/11. During bankruptcy that reputation declined. America West has never had a good reputation and has always been preceived as a lower rated outfit. It has only barely gotten out of the basement of the ratings and then only to the number 4 slot for a limited time. It is interesting to note that the 2005 and 2006 rankings and beyond include US Airways / America West.

Is it reasonable to assume that somehow US Airways which had always been a higer rated ailrine somehow dragged down America West in the ratings? Your myopic, misplaced, and limited perception may suggest that to you but the facts do not bear it out.

 

[nic4us]

Doug Parker, US Airways company webcast for Pilots dated 7/20/06

" Legally, it's an acquisition by US Airways, the legal structure that we kept in place is US Airways Group remained as an entity and America West is a subsidiary of US Airways Group. So from a purely legal structure, the real deal is, we can't lie about this, IT WAS A MERGER.

What happened is we had two companies neither of which could acquire the other one, some people put in a BUNCH of new money to put them together, and merge them, yeah I'm still CEO, yeah we had more board members, yes because we had a solvent company, we got more of the value of the merger than US Airways creditors did, because we had shareholders that had a share in it too, and we got a higher percentage (of the shares) but when it was all done, the new money CONTROLLED the entity. They had many more shares than America West shareholders did, and many more than US Airways creditors did. I might have these numbers a little off but to my recollection it was like 10 percent went to US Airways creditors, almost thirty percent to America West shareholders and all the rest was in new money do, it's a merger, it's just what it is, I can't go around lying about it, it's what it was.

I did not intend to start up the who bought who arguement again, But since I started it, I will try to lay this to rest.

You said that I was the only person who believed a company had a reincarnation when it "comes out of bankruptcy, issues new stock, and mergers with another company".

Please show me where in the annual report or in Parker's crew news quotes you have posted that leads you to believe that is what happened. The new stock is not in AAA, it is in LCC, an entirely new corporation. AAA did not issue new stock, then merge with AWA. Barbell (i.e. the money) merged with AWA (not AAA), THEN, AWA had the money to buy AAA, then new stock was issued to all the creditors, AWA stockholders being the largest single creditor and owning by far the largest share of LCC stock.

Further, you were not around for it yet, but prior to the merger, AWA had crew news sessions. In those sessions the entire transaction was never presented to the AWA employees as you depict, or even as the post merger Parker downplay of AWA's role. It was always, "we are buying USAirways". Perhaps that was an oversimplification of the transaction that was occuring, however, It was much closer to the truth than your "emerge from bankruptcy, issued new stock, then merged" scenario.

So, go ahead and read Parker's statments you quoted. He says "some people put in a bunch of money". What he fails to mention is they gave the money to AWA in exchange for stock in the new corporation.

My point from the beginning is that it is a new corporation, not the "once great company" that Cleary talks about in his idiotic update about people getting fired over an illegal job action that usapa has started because it is too dumb to realize they are not getting a DOH contract.

 

[john john]

Factual evidence suggests otherwise. Please look at the AQR or Air Quality Rankings for the years 1998 thur 2005. It is true that there was a rapid decline in quality in 2004 and beyond for US Airways. That was the post 9/11 Chapter 11 time, no doubt about it.

The reason for your misplaced perception of the industry might be that you were not around at that time? It's ancient history to you but Yesterday to those of us out East.

​

The Airline Quality Rating 2001

​

AIRLINE QUALITY RATING 2001

​

Brent D. Bowen, University of Nebraska at Omaha

​

Dean E. Headley, Wichita State University

​

Abstract
The Airline Quality Rating (AQR) was developed and first announced in early
1991 as an objective method of comparing airline quality on combined multiple
performance criteria. This current report, Airline Quality Rating 2001, reflects monthly
Airline Quality Rating scores for 2000. AQR scores for the calendar year 2000 are
based on 15 elements that focus on airline performance areas important to air travel consumers.

The Airline Quality Rating (AQR) is a weighted average of multiple elements (see
Table 1) important to consumers when judging the quality of airline services. Elements
considered for inclusion in the rating scale were screened to meet two basic criteria; 1)
an element must be obtainable from published data sources for each airline; and 2) an
element must have relevance to consumer concerns regarding airline quality. Data for
the elements used in calculating the ratings represent performance aspects (on-time
arrival, mishandled baggage, involuntary denied boardings, and 12 customer complaint
areas) of airlines that are important to consumers. All of the elements are reported in
the Air Travel Consumer Report maintained by the U.S. Department of Transportation.


Airline Quality Rating
Average AQR Scores*
2000 1999 1998
AQR Score Rank AQR Score Rank AQR Score Rank

2000 1999 1998
Alaska - 2 5 8
America West 10 8 6
American 6 7 3
Continental 7 2 2
Delta - 1 3 4
Northwest 5 4 9
Southwest 3 1 5
Trans World 8 9 7
United 9 10 10
U.S. Airways 4 6 1


So, Let’s see what the actual facts are here. America West for the three years 98,99,200 was last (10), 8 and 6. For the Same period US Airways was 1 (first), 6 and number 4.

In 2001 the report on US Airways was as follows: (#2)

US Airways shows improvement in all of the criteria tracked for 2001. This
improvement pulled the airline up to the second rated spot for 2001 from number four in
2000. Looking at some of the details reveals that US Airways performed better in on-time
arrival percentage (78.2% in 2001 compared to 72.3% in 2000), denied boarding rate (0.34 in
2001 compared to 0.65 in 2000), mishandled baggage rate (3.86 in 2001 compared to 4.76 in
2000), and customer complaint rate (1.87 in 2001 compared to 2.59 in 2000).

Consumer Complaints:
On average, the Department of Transportation received 2.11 consumer complaints per
100,000 passengers for the eleven largest carriers in 2001. The volume of complaints in
2001 represents a 29% decrease in the rate of complaints over the 2000 rate. These
complaints represent a wide range of areas, such as cancellations, delays, oversales,
reservation and ticketing problems, fares, refunds, customer treatment, unfair advertising,
and other general problems.
Airline with the highest complaint rate: America West (3.72).
http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/030407/dcm041_1.html

Press Release Source: US Airways

US Airways Ranks First in Annual Airline Quality Rating
Monday April 7, 5:06 pm ET

ARLINGTON, Va., April 7 /PRNewswire/ -- US Airways was ranked first for 2002 in the annual Airline Quality Rating announced today by the University of Nebraska and Wichita State University.

US Airways moved up from its second place ranking in 2001, showing improvement in three of the four criteria tracked last year. On-time arrivals rose to 83.4 percent, compared to 78.2 percent in 2001. The airline's mishandled baggage rate decreased to 2.95 per 1,000 passengers, down from 3.86 in 2001. Customer complaints were also down for 2002, with 1.13 per 100,000 passengers, compared to 1.87 in 2001. In the fourth major category, denied boardings, US Airways' performance was virtually unchanged.

"This is a great tribute to our employees who deserve to be nationally recognized for their devotion to customer service. I am honored to be a part of their team," said US Airways President and CEO Dave Siegel.

The Airline Quality Rating is an annual study conducted jointly by the University of Nebraska at Omaha and Wichita State University. Each airline's score is calculated based on data reported monthly in the U.S. Department of Transportation's Air Travel Consumer Report. The full Airline Quality Rating 2003 report is available online at unomaha.edu/~unoai/aqr.

US Airways, the US Airways Express carriers and US Airways Shuttle provide service to nearly 200 destinations worldwide, including 37 states in the U.S. In the Caribbean, US Airways serves Antigua, Aruba, Barbados, Belize, Bermuda, Cancun, Cozumel, Grand Bahama Island, Grand Cayman, Grenada, Montego Bay, Nassau, Providenciales, Punta Cana, San Juan, Santo Domingo, St. Kitts, St. Lucia, St. Thomas, St. Maarten and St. Croix. US Airways Express also serves North Eleuthera, Governors Harbour, Marsh Harbour and Treasure Cay from select cities in Florida. For more information on US Airways routes or fares, visit US Airways online at usairways.com or call US Airways Reservations at 800-428- 4322.


Source: US Airways

For 2002, America West made it to the top 5 with a score of 4.
In 2003, America West was #4 and US Airways was #5
In 2004 America West was #4 and US Airways was #5

Researchers at the University of Nebraska-Omaha and Wichita State University consider consumer-related data in ranking airlines each year.
Airline 2006 Rank 2005 Rank
Hawaiian *1 1 NA
JetBlue 2 1
AirTran 3 2
Frontier *1 4 NA
Northwest 5 7
Southwest 6 4
Continental 7 8
United 8 5
Alaska 9 9
American 10 10
ATA 11 11
Delta 12 12
US Airways 13 15
SkyWest 14 13
Mesa *1 15 NA
Comair 16 16
American Eagle 17 14
Atlantic Southeast 18 17
America West *2 NA 6
Independence Air *3 NA 3


The facts of the matter are that US Airways, had a pretty good reputation under Wolf and after 9/11. During bankruptcy that reputation declined. America West has never had a good reputation and has always been preceived as a lower rated outfit. It has only barely gotten out of the basement of the ratings and then only to the number 4 slot for a limited time. It is interesting to note that the 2005 and 2006 rankings and beyond include US Airways / America West.

Is it reasonable to assume that somehow US Airways which had always been a higer rated ailrine somehow dragged down America West in the ratings? Your myopic, misplaced, and limited perception may suggest that to you but the facts do not bear it out.

Better kept this post of facts for straitening future misguided post

 

[Glucose Intolerant]

US Airways prior to 2005 was never a great airline. It was a a regional airline with some international flying.

And to this day east people still think there company is still here. It is not. It ended with the merger. Unfortunately the people in Tempe thought it would be a good idea to keep the name. Boy was that their second big mistake.

"Lighten up Francis".
I always thought you were somewhat ill informed and misguided obviously from the intoxication of Cactus Kool-aid - I stand corrected: You are still ill informed, but also ignorant.
Most on the East wish they would have switched the name to America West - so people know who is responsible for this train wreck(and most already do).
Anyone that has flown LCC recently and US Airways prior to 2005 - knows this is US Airways in name only.
It's now a "joke", you know what they used to call AWA prior to 2005 (and you can't blame that on the recalcitrant East as much as you try).

Take your pick of consumer polls .

 

[biggie smalls]

THIS IS MY LAST FLYING BUT NOT MY LAST! GET HELP PLEEZ! MM DO YOU EVEN LISTEN TO YOUR OWN BS!

Well boys, just woke up from a very long nap, to learn that we are hiring and also calling for Aug, Sept, and Oct leaves of absence. Fact is the West flying is going to reduce 25 to 30 percent for the next three months which will lead to the the liquidation of the West, and growth of the East.

PS so long sliver , gold and platinum cactus backers, what a waste of west pilots' salaries...................

 

[Pi brat]

Well boys, just woke up from a very long nap, to learn that we are hiring and also calling for Aug, Sept, and Oct leaves of absence. Fact is the West flying is going to reduce 25 to 30 percent for the next three months which will lead to the the liquidation of the West, and growth of the East.

PS so long sliver , gold and platinum cactus backers, what a waste of west pilots' salaries...................

You lost me there. Why are we going to continue to hire and then offer leaves? I heard the Aug leaves were because of a reduction in east flying. How is the company going to reduce west flying with the min block hour and min hull provisions?

I think you are a west pilot trying to stir the pot. It's been a little too quiet around here for you, hasn't it?