US Pilots Labor Discussion

[USA320Pilot]

Leonidas Update: July 13, 2011

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[cactusboy53]

Just one more example of why the two groups can never be merged together.

What? Just because many of you are caught skewing various articles, posts, & legal decisions so that they somehow support your point of view....that one (or all) of us can't call you on it? I think we can fly together just fine. Those that are so firmly wrapped around the axle with USAPA & Date of Hire will either quit out of frustration or swallow their hyperbole take a seat that they can hold (according to the Nicolau list...of course) and try to enjoy life.

Be safe my friend.

 

[aquagreen73s]

They won't quit.

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

http://www.twapilot.org/pages/ALPA%20Lawsuit.html TAKE A GOOD LOOK AT THIS WEBSITE, AOL you crack me up! See ham familiar names!

 

[aquagreen73s]

http://www.twapilot.org/pages/ALPA%20Lawsuit.html TAKE A GOOD LOOK AT THIS WEBSITE, AOL you crack me up! See ham familiar names!

Your delusion long ago stopped concerning us and now you're pure humor for us.

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

PG 41 is real interesting under WILDER, pay close attention to the last sentence! Get your head out of the water aqua!

 

[aquagreen73s]

yeah yeah yeah. Victory is right around the corner for you. Yawn.

 

[Pi brat]

Unbiased Facts Update: July 14, 2011

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Wow! The writers at unbiased "facts" must be busy, that's almost a month old!

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

http://www.bluewaypoints.com/twa-lawsuit JETBLUE!

 

[exB717Flyer]

ALPA was not the only entity that sold out the bottom 2/3rds of the TWA pilots. God only knows who was cutting deals on that one. You had the APA demanding their way or the highway, an about to fail TWA, whose CEO was Bill Compton, the ex-MEC chairman now CEO who put the company into a pre-packaged bankruptcy to make the deal happen (while getting a deal from the APA to preserve senior TWA pilots pensions and an STL fence?). You had Dick Gebhardt dem-rep-MO, the house majority leader at the time, watching as say 20,000 of his constituent are about to hit the street (likely not giving a damn about pilots seniority problems as long as everybody gets to keep their job). You had a bankruptcy court denying other more lucrative offers for the assets of TWA, holding out for the American deal, in order to keep the company together, so that the most people would remain employed.........etc...etc...etc....

That doesn't piss me off. Frankly, I don't hold any grudge against Compton or Gephardt. Compton was just trying to sell the airline as a whole and I don't believe he had any contact with the APA. And of course Gephardt didn't care about seniority. This was all before 9/11 when nobody conceived of there being furloughs.

To compare our situation with the TWA ordeal is insulting to the TWA pilots.

Darn right it is. USAPA is trying to do exactly what the APA succeeded in doing. The East got lucky with the 9th Circuit 2-1 split. At least Dear Leader Cleary hasn't said he's Supremely Confident on the outcome of Judge Silver's court.

 

[end_of_alpa]

Quote that requirement. It doesn't exist in the T/A.

ALPA merger policy dolt. Read the ninth circuit ruling, dolt, repeat ad infinitum dolt.

 

[Monkee]

That's where you fall of the surfboard. He did indeed create it. He created it when he produced a list that the east pilots felt that could not live with, no matter what that not living with it would cost, but validated the west's attitude about it.

This one thing that I feel very strongly about: This company would not have given us a contract rich enough to pass had it contain the Nic, whether it was ALPA or USAPA trying to do it. One day, after a lot of blood loss maybe, but not in 2007.

All sides agreed to Nic as the binding arbitrator. All sides said they would live by whatever decision was made by the binding arbitrator.

But, one side went back on their word, didn't they?

 

[end_of_alpa]

Bullshit!!!!

The east created the problem, the east is the problem, usapa is the incarnation of the problem.

All you are saying is that if Nicolau would have given the east what they wanted and stapled the West, their would be no issues, therefore it is Nicolau's fault?



Now just as you cannot say a Nic inclusive contract would not pass, I cannot say that if Nic would have given you DOH that a DOH contract would have passed seperate ratification, but my gut feeling is that it would have. Because the West is not the lowlife renegeing scumbags that the east has turned out to be, we would have sucked it up and moved on.

So why don't you get rid of us?

 

[end_of_alpa]

Uh-huh. Very tough. Since I'm an adult, why don't just see you in court. I had a front row seat to your scab unions ass kicking. I'll be there again.

Im looking forward to testifying. I'll be looking at you in the cheap seats foaming at the mouth when the truth comes out. Will you be the one wearing your yellow trash bags again? You know , the mark of the truly ignorant? Adult, huh. I suppose the judge will let you walk into court showing your scab stickers as well.

You mean, you were in SFO seeing Seeham kick your union busting attorney sttttttuttter while arguing inapplicable law.

 

[end_of_alpa]

First off, you're not that important to be called. It got into evidence the first time without you and it will be the same for the dec action if it's relevant to that trial, and certainly get admitted into DFR II. Otherwise, what you say is pure delusion. ALPA afforded you the exact merger policy. You mediated. You arbitrated. You got the result. You just don't like the result. The TWA pilots never alleged they were DFR'd because they didn't get an arbitration. They alleged and proved that ALPA worked against them when they should have been advocating for them.



Question: were you afforded the change to mediate and arbitrate per ALPA merger policy? If so, then you're screwed. Loss of the pension has nothing to do with you somehow prevailing on a DFR in which the majority is trying to use their majority status to ignore an arbitrated result. NOTHING.

Yeah yeah yeah. We've been hearing that for four years. How's LOA93?

Once again you're not understanding anything that's going on. DFR does not ask the "what," it asks "why" - why is the union doing what it's doing? Does it serve any legitimate union purpose? Your side says ignoring the arbitration does serve a legitimate union purpose because you're breaking the self-constructed log jam. How convenient. Create a problem and then offer a fix that happens to advantage every East pilot and disadvantage every West pilot. Keep thinking the law is on your side. Looking at what's going on in the economy, it's helpful to have 2/3rds of this pilot group on BK wages and work rules.

Funny, you're talking to yourself. I'll see you in court.

GOOD LUCK!