US Pilots Labor Discussion

[kubotapilot]

KASHER DECISION IS OUT...

Mr. Isom ain't no Nostradamus, he is going to be pissed!!!

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[nevergiveup]

Keep diggin' that hole there Angry F.O.. When it comes to your scab union sabotaging the livelihoods of tens of thousands of innocent bystanders then unequivocally, I SIDE WITH MANAGEMENT. I fly safe, legal, and on time. As long as the simple act of doing my job properly assists in the destruction of USAPA I will do it with enthusiasm...then again, I'm not on LOA93 with no relief in sight either. Management can only be dealt with at the bargaining table, (assuming your "proposals" are legal that is). That will all happen in due time. Priority #1 is killing off USCABA. Job #2 is getting the contract i deserved years ago that was denied me by "my own" Effing Union.

USAPA and Cleary are in the grist mill. They'll both be ground into another dimension.

Move over management and share the covers...you have company!

 

[700UW]

KASHER DECISION IS OUT...

Mr. Isom ain't no Nostradamus, he is going to be pissed!!!

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Ok then post it, cause there is nothing on USAPA's web page nor any other Airline News pages.

 

[SparrowHawk]

Ok then post it, cause there is nothing on USAPA's web page nor any other Airline News pages.

I don't see anything either. Wonder if it went in favor of USAPA?

 

[blue collar]

We have NO scabs at original NWA. NONE. DAL is clean also. When our group was told to strike, we did, everyone. I have been on the picket line more times than you have probably been in your job year over year. I remember what your AWA did to the rest of the industry, and internationally. It is a disgusting heritage. You western pilots on this board may not be scabs yet, but they will when this situation boils over, and it is heading that way. I see the signs now. Your Franke management is laughing with glee. Once they use you, they will turn the gun on you after your usefulness is spent. You are too naive to see it. It is readily apparent to an outsider who has seen it. When you scab, you will regret it the rest of your life. Ask the ones you work with. The signs are in your company moves right now. They have the people in place now to push this to a strike. Be careful what you wish for, you will be used and discarded.

While I agree it is odd that some west posters openly side with management, rather than realize that management will screw them just as much as usapa; didn't you (being an NWA pilot) openly and knowingly side with management when you crossed the AMFA picket line, and helped bust the union? Wouldn't you say that was detrimental to the industry also? One out, all out right?

 

[700UW]

I don't see anything either. Wonder if it went in favor of USAPA?

It would be all over the place if the award was out.

 

[exB717Flyer]

While I agree it is odd that some west posters openly side with management, rather than realize that management will screw them just as much as usapa;

Your math is incorrect: USAPA is screwing the west far worse than management. They are also screwing themselves since they only have to drop their assault on the Nic list to get the west to join them.

 

[SparrowHawk]

Your math is incorrect: USAPA is screwing the west far worse than management. They are also screwing themselves since they only have to drop their assault on the Nic list to get the west to join them.

Well you might be right. However IMO HP/US management has been screwing you guys since the company started.

See in Corporate America everybody gets a "turn" as the screwor or the screwee. Right now in your eyes USAPA is the Screwor and you're the screwee. I'd argue that in the end USAPA & West pilot are the screwee and Jerry Glass the Screwor.

Because the truth is IMO is this:

Even if USAPA dropped opposition to the NIC and all the pilots kissed and made up this very minute you'd still have no contract and truth is you have the same failed Union leadership that Jerry Glass beat like a red headed stepchild during the two BK's. In that regard NOTHING has changed with Scary Cleary and Mopey Mowrey at the helm of a new lawsuit happy union. IMO Lee Seham vs Jerry Glass would be akin to Jean-Pierre Koopmans vs Mohammed Ali and I think you can figure out who is who there. All I can say folks is BOHICA, the only open question is how hard and long it will last.

 

[767jetz]

Real USAir Pilots beware. Your management uses AWA tools like this to sow discontent, and reap the benefits. I hope this idiot Toganoflex is actually management trying to create division, rather than an actual AWA stooge. They are not the brightest, Toga and Cleardirect. Keep them apart with USAPA. You NEVER want to get a combined list with AWA pilots. They will cross picket lines with a smile on their faces. They were raised by Franke.

Nostramus/sumadarson... welcome back!!!!

FYI to the rest of you guys and gals... I've heard through the grape vine that Nos has resurrected himself as Claxton, after an all too brief sabbatical. He can hide behind a new name, but the vomit he spews sounds and smells the same. 🙄

 

[Pi brat]

Congress defines the jurisdiction for federal courts. FARs belong to an administrative agency - the FAA. Nevertheless, just about anything could be analyzed under Constitutionality using the doctrine of judicial review. They can go in and change the nuts and bolts of laws or overturn them completely. Short of that, a federal court can't touch a law per se. However, what they often do is delineate the legality of how a law is used and that has a huge effect. With the injunction, a federal judge wouldn't be messing with the actual FARs. Rather, they'd be deciding the legality of how USAPA is encouraging its members to use use the law in that particular case. That's very different from saying what the FAR is, and it's a legal determination squarely in the jurisdiction of the federal courts and not the FAA. Now there is going to be some degree of incidental, cross-jurisdictional contact, but that's a matter for the FAA to raise. USAPA can try to raise it, but they'll need the FAA to step before the judge.

Caveat: you're talking to a journeyman.

Thanks for the reply. I'm amazed the company worded the request the way they did.

 

[lynyrdskynyrd]

I don't see anything either. Wonder if it went in favor of USAPA?

If it did, you'd have heard about it in two seconds flat, that I have no doubt. A usapa email is where I heard about the 9ths decision immediaty after it came down. Literally.

 

[lynyrdskynyrd]

Well you might be right. However IMO HP/US management has been screwing you guys since the company started.

See in Corporate America everybody gets a "turn" as the screwor or the screwee. Right now in your eyes USAPA is the Screwor and you're the screwee. I'd argue that in the end USAPA & West pilot are the screwee and Jerry Glass the Screwor.

Because the truth is IMO is this:

Even if USAPA dropped opposition to the NIC and all the pilots kissed and made up this very minute you'd still have no contract and truth is you have the same failed Union leadership that Jerry Glass beat like a red headed stepchild during the two BK's. In that regard NOTHING has changed with Scary Cleary and Mopey Mowrey at the helm of a new lawsuit happy union. IMO Lee Seham vs Jerry Glass would be akin to Jean-Pierre Koopmans vs Mohammed Ali and I think you can figure out who is who there. All I can say folks is BOHICA, the only open question is how hard and long it will last.

Good post, I believe that is true. Sadly though, now it's even worse.

 

[lynyrdskynyrd]

Well you might be right. However IMO HP/US management has been screwing you guys since the company started.

See in Corporate America everybody gets a "turn" as the screwor or the screwee. Right now in your eyes USAPA is the Screwor and you're the screwee. I'd argue that in the end USAPA & West pilot are the screwee and Jerry Glass the Screwor.

Because the truth is IMO is this:

Even if USAPA dropped opposition to the NIC and all the pilots kissed and made up this very minute you'd still have no contract and truth is you have the same failed Union leadership that Jerry Glass beat like a red headed stepchild during the two BK's. In that regard NOTHING has changed with Scary Cleary and Mopey Mowrey at the helm of a new lawsuit happy union. IMO Lee Seham vs Jerry Glass would be akin to Jean-Pierre Koopmans vs Mohammed Ali and I think you can figure out who is who there. All I can say folks is BOHICA, the only open question is how hard and long it will last.

Good post, I believe that is true. Sadly though, now it's even worse. I doubt management even distinguishes which group is more stupid than the other.

 

[SparrowHawk]

Good post, I believe that is true. Sadly though, now it's even worse. I doubt management even distinguishes which group is more stupid than the other.

Oh I'm pretty sure that the pilots are well discussed at cocktail 3 hours with DoUgIe, Scotch, Isom and Glass and the rest of the brown nose types. If the pilots has a dollar for every time one of the execs laughed behind their back the entire pilot group could retire to a tropical island.

 

[mikey60]

I know you did. That's why the company is suing your scab union once AGAIN. Your illegal work action was the worst kept secret in Aviation. Now you'll pay dearly for that decision of yours. I won't even dignify your attempt at pretending to work for DAL. 🙄

AMES........how about telling us more about the east pilot that got fired by one of you splittails. I guess thats the reason for all the new people in the C/P's office, yea thats it, more people to investigate "the ames story". You were gone for about a month thats about the min time for Betty Ford Clinic, did you make it? Oh by the way you used your AMES avatar by mistake once. OOPS, a little relapse