US Pilots Labor Discussion

[toganoflex]

Are you trailer trash because even illegals have some idea about English grammar? (your vs you're) Perhaps you should post your "creds"? (I know, short list)

LMAO!!

Damn it. Crapped my pants.

 

[Iclubbabyseals]

LMAO!!

Damn it. Crapped my pants.

Wow.

Was that ever unexpected? Sounds more like a daily occurrence for you.

 

[Barrister]

Wow.

Was that ever unexpected? Sounds more like a daily occurrence for you.

Funny how we have developed a 6th sense as to when we are debating a newbie
who just can't accept that the lottery ticket can't be cashed!!!!

NICDOA
NPJB

 

[luvn737s]

Funny how we have developed a 6th sense as to when we are debating a newbie
who just can't accept that the lottery ticket can't be cashed!!!!

NICDOA
NPJB

Funny how your other 5 senses haven't been generated any cash for you.

C'mon, tell us how wasting money on a do-nothing "union" is the "best money you've ever spent.

Will Cleary's expression when he get the damages verdict be broadcast on the web? Viral baby!

 

[toganoflex]

Funny how we have developed a 6th sense as to when we are debating a newbie
who just can't accept that the lottery ticket can't be cashed!!!!

NICDOA
NPJB

Damn you're good.

 

[luvthe9]

I had no idea it would have softened you up.

I was hoping you'd let up.

You were starting to break me.

Break me? The company will break you open like a shotgun and insert what they want shortly. NEXT!

 

[luvthe9]

There will never be solidarity amongst labor like there was at Eastern, stop living in the past.

The east pilots are no friend of labor, they screwed the non union workers in 92, screwed the IAM M&R in 92, have always been the first group to cave and give concessions to the company.

You have no idea what trade unionism is all about.

I liken the east pilots to little kids, if they cant win, they are gonna take their bat and ball and go home and throw a temper tantrum.

Grow up, be adults and accept responsibility.

And you are a tool, taken out of the bag. No power as a unionist. Replaced easily, readily. You were the warm up for Glass. Were you the guy in the back of class picking his nose, and complaining? Never studying obviously.Then you picked up trash, and complained because you never got a real skill. And you are gone. Meanwhile, the East pilots are still here, taking them on. You cried, and ran. What do you do now, drive a van and complain about your lot in life?

 

[biggie smalls]

And you are a tool, taken out of the bag. No power as a unionist. Replaced easily, readily. You were the warm up for Glass. Were you the guy in the back of class picking his nose, and complaining? Never studying obviously.Then you picked up trash, and complained because you never got a real skill. And you are gone. Meanwhile, the East pilots are still here, taking them on. You cried, and ran. What do you do now, drive a van and complain about your lot in life?



The east pilots will always be here...................


Well folks its election time in CLT and the tired old diatribe of those in the vocal minority is upon us again. Leading the initial volley is Doug Mowery accompanied by Mark King. To begin with it should be noted that the central premise of their effort is the flawed notion that, first, no progress has been made since USAPA’s inception and, second, that their “tried and true” methodology is the answer. Both ideas are an embarrassing example of the unfortunate naivety of these gentlemen and their inner circle, good intentions notwithstanding.


The notion that there has been no progress is emblematic of a pathological urge that this group of men has to see movement of any kind in general and at the negotiating table even if the movement is self defeating. This behavior is at the very root of many of our current problems - problems that evolved over time through a number of ill-fated negotiations.


It is lost on these individuals that in order to reverse this historical trend we must remain resolute, understanding that any momentum whatsoever first begins with the smallest yielding of the burden and continues with an unrelenting, disciplined effort - especially in the face of stubborn, entrenched, opposition.


The very opposite of this school of thought is what Mowery is going to openly offer you in his campaign - the idea that because, in his view, the progress made is unsatisfactory we must, therefore, change our tack and find more accommodating winds. This is what Doug has done consistently through his union career and we are living and breathing the results every day. If there is one thing that should be apparent to us all it is that the only thing the Company is interested in accommodating, absent sufficient incentive, is perpetual concessions. Should we change course that is exactly what we will get. Our own history could not be more clear on this point.


The characterization that Doug levels at President Cleary about being a fighter is highly suggestive of where his most problematic flaw lies. Mowery remains convinced that, despite all evidence to the contrary, this management is interested in constructive communication - that is to say dialog that is designed to mutually solve problems. Just take a look at your career at US Airways over the last two decades and see if this thinking has any basis in reality. Any healthy business relationship is the product of balance. If one side or the other opens a path lacking in resistance then the other will surely follow that path. It is a simple principle of physics that Mowery simply does not understand. Doug wants to open the lines of communication with Parker without a requirement for the Company to act in good faith and he is willing to do anything to make it happen. It is beyond question that he does not, despite his previous experience, know where this will lead. Well, we do and you should as well.


As for Doug’s regurgitated attack on Steve Crimi, that argument was made ad-nauseam to no avail through his failed recall attempt yet somehow he believes that you simply did not get it the first time around. Doug Mowery and Mark King do not care one bit about where Steve did or did not work. All they care about is the focus of this campaign - to disrupt the voting balance on the BPR by picking off their opponents.


Bill McKee, Dewitt Ingram and Steve Crimi have not only proven themselves to be staunch advocates of their constituents but they have also, through dogged determination and dedication to the best interests of all US Airways pilots, provided a steadying influence on the BPR. Where some other representatives, past and present, fell victim to the beguiling influences of those who wish to see us fail, these gentlemen remained steadfast, disciplined and cool-headed. We have much to thank them for in this regard and this contribution cannot be overstated - particularly when those seeking to replace them are most certainly, by their own admission, intent on doing things differently.


In this election the CLT pilots hold in their hands the ability to do one of two things. Either be lured into the one thing that we can least afford - changing course under the direction of individuals who despite their best intentions are prone to a philosophy which has repeatedly failed us in the past, or resisting the urge to succumb to the pressure that is being placed on us by our adversaries for that express purpose.


CLT pilots, we implore you to remain strong, to stay the course and to vote for Bill McKee, Dewitt Ingram and Steve Crimi.

 

[3dtv]

Attack attack attack. Stop vilifying your oponent and focus on the attributes that make your guy electable.

 

[toganoflex]

And you are a tool, taken out of the bag. No power as a unionist. Replaced easily, readily. You were the warm up for Glass. Were you the guy in the back of class picking his nose, and complaining? Never studying obviously.Then you picked up trash, and complained because you never got a real skill. And you are gone. Meanwhile, the East pilots are still here, taking them on. You cried, and ran. What do you do now, drive a van and complain about your lot in life?

And you guys think you're unionists?

Giving up your pension, pay, and just about everything else at the drop of a hat.

No contract - not even close. Parker blows off your President.

Negotiations moving backwards.

And a small group of pilots shutting down your DOH fantasy.

Ya, you guys scream union.

How's that snapback pay?

Suckaz.

 

[toganoflex]

Mark and Doug pointing out that Crimi is a scab is regurgitated?

 

[toganoflex]

Break me? The company will break you open like a shotgun and insert what they want shortly. NEXT!

Yow! Sounds like that might hurt.

What do you think?

 

[Reed Richards]

Bill McKee, Dewitt Ingram and Steve Crimi have not only proven themselves to be staunch advocates of their constituents but they have also, through dogged determination and dedication to the best interests of all US Airways pilots, provided a steadying influence on the BPR. CLT pilots, we implore you to remain strong, to stay the course and to vote for Bill McKee, Dewitt Ingram and Steve Crimi.

The company made it more than clear that Distance Learning had to be done. All three of the CLT reps did theirs, and continued with their ranting against the evil empire.....but not a one of them bothered to call the CP office and see if any CLT pilots had still not completed the computer training. That is what real union pilots do...take care of their members. Of course we know who the "Freedom Scab" is looking out for. Sometimes you actually have to talk to management to take care of your own.

But believe you me...these three will fight to the death to "get that pilot's job back!" The unions first job is to stand before management in front of the line pilots..not use them a pawns. Now the CLT reps want the members to wear silly lanyards...and be challenged by management until they take them off. Guess we will see a few more terminations. Maybe someone should ask if the Safety Chairman is wearing a yellow lanyard.

RR

 

[Pi brat]

In this election the CLT pilots hold in their hands the ability to do one of two things. Either be lured into the one thing that we can least afford - changing course under the direction of individuals who despite their best intentions are prone to a philosophy which has repeatedly failed us in the past, or resisting the urge to succumb to the pressure that is being placed on us by our adversaries for that express purpose.


CLT pilots, we implore you to remain strong, to stay the course and to vote for Bill McKee, Dewitt Ingram and Steve Crimi.

As pilots we need to be able to discern when it is time to change course. I think it is. Although I like these guys personally, I believe they have followed Cleary down the wrong course. I won't be voting for any of them.

The C18 issue, Crimi's "it was just ALPA" excuse and now what is, IMHO, the wrong handling of certain big issues, lead me to that conclusion.

 

[toganoflex]

As pilots we need to be able to discern when it is time to change course. I think it is. Although I like these guys personally, I believe they have followed Cleary down the wrong course. I won't be voting for any of them.

The C18 issue, Crimi's "it was just ALPA" excuse and now what is, IMHO, the wrong handling of certain big issues, lead me to that conclusion.

Wow.

Wow.

I just crapped my pants and it wasn't from laughing.