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Just rec'd the above two posts by RR and PI. Wow. Was that a pig I just saw flying overhead?
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A change in union leadership might send a message to management that a small window of opportunity exist for negotiations and bargaining. This company is very paranoid and seems to like hate and discontent they might just stay the course
No, it wasn't. I'm not so sure why you guys are shocked, I've been consistent in my message, you just believed it was TIC.
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USAPA has to know S22 is closed.
If they push this section then negs stop again.
And some of the stuff they're asking for is ridiculous - even for me.
If they push this section then negs stop again.
And some of the stuff they're asking for is ridiculous - even for me.
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Question. I have been away for awhile, but Doug Mowery is the guy that originally wrote the c&r correct?
No, that was Randy Mowrey.
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Thanks.
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Then YOUR expectations are too low.
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While I think this squabble has gone on long enough and that the real fault in all of this resides with Doug Parker's failing to act during the relatively small window he had to get a deal done and I share the frustrations (Or at least understand) of both sides. The only group that seems to NOT want or even much care about getting a contract done is US Airways Sr Management.
Some observations from 2D
Doug Parker has publicly stated he doesn't care about anything other than his compensation and that of the shareholders. To the folks who are from HP, he's told you who he is believe him. He doesn't care about the Army of Leonidas or an arm with tendonitis. You're not on his radar screen. Get over it! I know it hurts, but he is who he is and it's time to realize that.
Jerry Glass wasn't hired to promote peace, love and brotherhood. He was hired to crush you into dust, You, as in any member of organized labor. Right now it's the Pilots and F/A's who are at bat. For those on the West or those with short memories Jerry Glass beat the ever loving shite out of the unions at the old US. Ask any East pilot about the haircut they took. Metaphorically when he got done with them they all looked like Kojak and US didn't even give them a Lollipop. Ignore this at your peril. He is a premier union buster and if you think DP doesn't care, compared to Jerry Glass, DP looks like Gordon Bethune. You've been warned/reminded.
USAPA - While not the sharpest knives in the drawer, they are certainly the most fed up, pissed off portion of the workforce. The west and east may have different reasons to be pissed, but they are pissed none the less. As to the "Safety Campaign", it was not a very bright move, a move out of frustration and perhaps desperation to force US to the bargaining table. This ill advised move is typical of the shot myself in the foot now let me blame someone leadership of USAPA. Many of these guys were leaders within ALPA who pretty much ensured the haircut known as LOA93 so their track record speaks for it self. Now these same so called leaders have exposed the pilots group to a potential assessment for damages that could be well into 6 figures with nothing to show for it except a bigger bill from Lee Seham.
To me, the fatal flaw in the Safety Campaign was it failed to exploit human natures biggest fear. Fear of the unknown. Suppose USAPA had done a "Whisper Campaign" filled with all manner of misinformation. IDK, stuff like "The ramp is with us", The slowdown is coming, we've got 60% of the east pilots on board" etc, etc. Let Isom and his cronies run around like chickens with their heads cut off chasing down one rumor after another. Fear is a powerful tool and used correctly it could have had far more impact than a full page ad. First thing I would have done is request that ALL US Pilots stop posting on blogs like this. Again fear of the unknown. If you think they don't monitor this one and others then you've been in a cave for the last ten years. All the while you're doing the whisper campaign you document everything and I mean everything. Then for like maybe 3 hours of ONE day you disrupt the system with write-ups focusing on the hub feeder flight like CLT-PHL, CLT-PHX etc. and SNAFU the system for ONE Day just to let Mr Glass know what's capable of happening. Do that and you can say, "We did it once, we'll do it again" as part of your whisper campaign. If you go back to WWII this was how the Dutch Resistence gave the Germans fits. Holland has no mountains to speak of so an armed resistance really wasn't going to work so they had the US drop radios and they constantly gave out false allied positions to fool the Germans, They also in the larger cities disrupted commerce by pitting on bureaucrat against another. One of their leader was quoted "I take no greater pleasure then to pit one German functionary against another". With the micro Management style of US the amount of havoc caused could have disrupted operations without a lawsuit seeking an injunction. Think about it for a second, you get a bunch of pilots using nothing more than words, how long to you think it would take for them to pit station manager against station manager? Get catering fighting with station mgmt, etc etc. Pretty soon you have all of these micromanaging retards fighting each other and the operation collapses and the pilots are never exposed to legal action. It's called being smart.
Some observations from 2D
Doug Parker has publicly stated he doesn't care about anything other than his compensation and that of the shareholders. To the folks who are from HP, he's told you who he is believe him. He doesn't care about the Army of Leonidas or an arm with tendonitis. You're not on his radar screen. Get over it! I know it hurts, but he is who he is and it's time to realize that.
Jerry Glass wasn't hired to promote peace, love and brotherhood. He was hired to crush you into dust, You, as in any member of organized labor. Right now it's the Pilots and F/A's who are at bat. For those on the West or those with short memories Jerry Glass beat the ever loving shite out of the unions at the old US. Ask any East pilot about the haircut they took. Metaphorically when he got done with them they all looked like Kojak and US didn't even give them a Lollipop. Ignore this at your peril. He is a premier union buster and if you think DP doesn't care, compared to Jerry Glass, DP looks like Gordon Bethune. You've been warned/reminded.
USAPA - While not the sharpest knives in the drawer, they are certainly the most fed up, pissed off portion of the workforce. The west and east may have different reasons to be pissed, but they are pissed none the less. As to the "Safety Campaign", it was not a very bright move, a move out of frustration and perhaps desperation to force US to the bargaining table. This ill advised move is typical of the shot myself in the foot now let me blame someone leadership of USAPA. Many of these guys were leaders within ALPA who pretty much ensured the haircut known as LOA93 so their track record speaks for it self. Now these same so called leaders have exposed the pilots group to a potential assessment for damages that could be well into 6 figures with nothing to show for it except a bigger bill from Lee Seham.
To me, the fatal flaw in the Safety Campaign was it failed to exploit human natures biggest fear. Fear of the unknown. Suppose USAPA had done a "Whisper Campaign" filled with all manner of misinformation. IDK, stuff like "The ramp is with us", The slowdown is coming, we've got 60% of the east pilots on board" etc, etc. Let Isom and his cronies run around like chickens with their heads cut off chasing down one rumor after another. Fear is a powerful tool and used correctly it could have had far more impact than a full page ad. First thing I would have done is request that ALL US Pilots stop posting on blogs like this. Again fear of the unknown. If you think they don't monitor this one and others then you've been in a cave for the last ten years. All the while you're doing the whisper campaign you document everything and I mean everything. Then for like maybe 3 hours of ONE day you disrupt the system with write-ups focusing on the hub feeder flight like CLT-PHL, CLT-PHX etc. and SNAFU the system for ONE Day just to let Mr Glass know what's capable of happening. Do that and you can say, "We did it once, we'll do it again" as part of your whisper campaign. If you go back to WWII this was how the Dutch Resistence gave the Germans fits. Holland has no mountains to speak of so an armed resistance really wasn't going to work so they had the US drop radios and they constantly gave out false allied positions to fool the Germans, They also in the larger cities disrupted commerce by pitting on bureaucrat against another. One of their leader was quoted "I take no greater pleasure then to pit one German functionary against another". With the micro Management style of US the amount of havoc caused could have disrupted operations without a lawsuit seeking an injunction. Think about it for a second, you get a bunch of pilots using nothing more than words, how long to you think it would take for them to pit station manager against station manager? Get catering fighting with station mgmt, etc etc. Pretty soon you have all of these micromanaging retards fighting each other and the operation collapses and the pilots are never exposed to legal action. It's called being smart.
Go ask your HP agents
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A better question is who HAS the worst pay/benefits in the industry.
AWA was NEVER the lowest.
Suckah.
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Doug Mowery negotiated LOA 93.
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