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USAPA filed document 12 in the Status Quo Complaint on 7/18/2011. This document is a prime example of the volumes of drivel that exudes from USAPA's leadership. That said, item 96 was perhaps the funniest thing I've heard in a very long time. This item is a claim laid against US Airways (LCC) by USAPA:

96. Beginning in Spring 2007, and continuing to the present, defendants have refused to comply with previous settlements between the parties, previous arbitration awards, and previous awarded grievances.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

So you think that's funny?

Here is one word that says you are wrong: ACARS


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He is just a wannabe bloviating pontificator.

Someone who knows 5% of something and pretends he knows the other 95% and adds another 25% of complete BS.

Sounds like the background for the majority of our management team out in Phoenix .....percentages are off a bit though - I would put it more like 95% BS.
 
NLG;
I guess I can place you in the "NO, I would prefer to live under LOA 93 until worlds end & Mike Cleary is the BEST union leader that we've EVER had" camp.

OH, BTW.....if we had signed a contract with what the company testified in federal court would be expected (Kirby + an additional 7-8% for a total of 10-11% on top of AWA wages), YES we ALL have lost MILLIONS of dollars collectively. Further every one of you would have gained one week paid vacation, 100% DH, 100% MECH, 100% cancellation, etc.

The point that I am trying to make (especially for lurkers) is that unless you change USAPA's constitution.....YOU WILL NEVER GAIN ANYTHING (other than the left seat....eventually at the nations crappiest airline contract). If you are already a captain, you have lost big time.
Why do you care boy? The east is willing to put up with this to get DOH and we have heard this a thousand times from the west. If you think 10% on top of awa wages acceptable then its time for you to open your eyes to what the rest of the pilot groups are getting. And for the love of God please drop the D/H, MECH AND CX crap you sound like a broken f###'n record.
 
So nice to hear you're enlightened commentary. Free thinkers seem to upset you, I'm not sure why?? Perhaps you could shed some light?

To answer the other poster, the short answer is NO, I was however a CP for 10 years and a DM member since 1996, so if it's all the same to you Sir or Madam I will speak freely on any topic of my choosing. I try to remain civil, however with folks like HP EarlyRetiree it can sometimes difficult
What do you expect Hawk, hp's living in a tin shack in the desert at 110 degrees. He cant afford the a/c because he retired on $ 2500 a month from the rectal cancer of the airline industry. Have a nice day.
 
USAPAWATCH.com Update (Arbitrator Kasher's Decisions?): August 5, 2011

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Conspiracy theories are easy to dispel if you apply a little common sense. But common sense is not so common. If your intent is disrupt, divide and confuse I understand. If not you have a deep fixation and or are delusional. Either way you should seek help.
 
So you think that's funny?

Here is one word that says you are wrong: ACARS


Driver B)
Uhm....USAPA is the party that filed this against the company. My insinuation was that it's OK to blame (as they so often do) another party for actions that they themselves are guilty of. I guess you are right...it's really IRONIC, not funny.
 
Why do you care boy? The east is willing to put up with this to get DOH and we have heard this a thousand times from the west. If you think 10% on top of awa wages acceptable then its time for you to open your eyes to what the rest of the pilot groups are getting. And for the love of God please drop the D/H, MECH AND CX crap you sound like a broken f###'n record.

OK. Placing Grampa Mikey60 in the "Cleary can do no wrong!" camp. Not a big camp, but VERY ANGRY.

Go treat yourself to a prune latte, you've earned it.
 
Willful misconduct generally means a knowing violation of a reasonable and uniformly enforced rule or policy. It means intentionally doing that which should not be done or intentionally failing to do that which should be done, knowing that injury to a person will probably result or recklessly disregarding the possibility that injury to a person may result.

This is complete idiocy. "Willfull misconduct" does not mean "doing that which should not be done or intentionally failing to do that which should be done, knowing that injury to a person will probably result or recklessly disregarding the possibility that injury to a person may result.

That would be the definition of gross negligence, not willfull misconduct. Willfull misconduct is intentional noncompliance with rules which may or may not involve the possibility of injury. For informational purposes, examples of willfull misconduct would include the following:

1) Repeatedly and intentionally violating company policy and FAA regulations by browsing files downloaded from the internet during flight on one's laptop computer.

2) Violating company policy and federal law (Uniform Code of Military Justice) by appearing in an advertisement for a commercial product (hair plug replacements) while wearing one's US Airways uniform and United States Air Force Reserve uniform. The severity of these violations would be exacerbated if said violations occurred hundreds of times over a multi-year period.


Gross negligence is a concept which would apply to your misplaced description of "willfull misconduct," to wit "doing that which should not be done or intentionally failing to do that which should be done, knowing that injury to a person will probably result or recklessly disregarding the possibility that injury to a person may result."

An example of gross negligence would be carelessly and recklessly operating an aircraft by repeatedly misprogramming airport coordinates at the gate, failing to accomplish repeated and mandatory crosschecks of route fix, course and distance information, and failure to crosscheck (mandatory) runway and route of flight information prior to departure.

After departure, such negligence would be considered more atrocious if not met with an immediate "owning up" of said mistakes along with a request to return to the departure airport to fix the problem. An example of this would be attempting to bluff one's way through an embarrassing situation by continuing flight under radar vectors (an unprecedented and outrageous multiplier of the risk factor to passengers - just imagine a lost communications situation with inaccurate navigational data) for over an hour while vainly trying to invent a cover-your-ass type scenario.


The hypothetical situations above are indeed reminders that we are all human and make mistakes. Nevertheless, the oft discussed concept of integrity would perhaps lead one to assume certain things. First, that any individual who had been guilty of such gross negligence would not be the lead actor in a slander campaign against a respected senior international Captain who had refused to be bullied into an Etops crossing under circumstances that said Captain had deemed unacceptable. Secondly, that after receiving nothing but support from one's fellow pilots after being guilty of gross negligence, no individual would be positively giddy over a reign of severe discipline and terminations against those pilots for much lesser transgressions.

Then again, maybe not.
 
While I think this squabble has gone on long enough and that the real fault in all of this resides with Doug Parker's failing to act during the relatively small window he had to get a deal done and I share the frustrations (Or at least understand) of both sides. The only group that seems to NOT want or even much care about getting a contract done is US Airways Sr Management.

Some observations from 2D

Doug Parker has publicly stated he doesn't care about anything other than his compensation and that of the shareholders. To the folks who are from HP, he's told you who he is believe him. He doesn't care about the Army of Leonidas or an arm with tendonitis. You're not on his radar screen. Get over it! I know it hurts, but he is who he is and it's time to realize that.

Jerry Glass wasn't hired to promote peace, love and brotherhood. He was hired to crush you into dust, You, as in any member of organized labor. Right now it's the Pilots and F/A's who are at bat. For those on the West or those with short memories Jerry Glass beat the ever loving shite out of the unions at the old US. Ask any East pilot about the haircut they took. Metaphorically when he got done with them they all looked like Kojak and US didn't even give them a Lollipop. Ignore this at your peril. He is a premier union buster and if you think DP doesn't care, compared to Jerry Glass, DP looks like Gordon Bethune. You've been warned/reminded.

USAPA - While not the sharpest knives in the drawer, they are certainly the most fed up, pissed off portion of the workforce. The west and east may have different reasons to be pissed, but they are pissed none the less. As to the "Safety Campaign", it was not a very bright move, a move out of frustration and perhaps desperation to force US to the bargaining table. This ill advised move is typical of the shot myself in the foot now let me blame someone leadership of USAPA. Many of these guys were leaders within ALPA who pretty much ensured the haircut known as LOA93 so their track record speaks for it self. Now these same so called leaders have exposed the pilots group to a potential assessment for damages that could be well into 6 figures with nothing to show for it except a bigger bill from Lee Seham.

To me, the fatal flaw in the Safety Campaign was it failed to exploit human natures biggest fear. Fear of the unknown. Suppose USAPA had done a "Whisper Campaign" filled with all manner of misinformation. IDK, stuff like "The ramp is with us", The slowdown is coming, we've got 60% of the east pilots on board" etc, etc. Let Isom and his cronies run around like chickens with their heads cut off chasing down one rumor after another. Fear is a powerful tool and used correctly it could have had far more impact than a full page ad. First thing I would have done is request that ALL US Pilots stop posting on blogs like this. Again fear of the unknown. If you think they don't monitor this one and others then you've been in a cave for the last ten years. All the while you're doing the whisper campaign you document everything and I mean everything. Then for like maybe 3 hours of ONE day you disrupt the system with write-ups focusing on the hub feeder flight like CLT-PHL, CLT-PHX etc. and SNAFU the system for ONE Day just to let Mr Glass know what's capable of happening. Do that and you can say, "We did it once, we'll do it again" as part of your whisper campaign. If you go back to WWII this was how the Dutch Resistence gave the Germans fits. Holland has no mountains to speak of so an armed resistance really wasn't going to work so they had the US drop radios and they constantly gave out false allied positions to fool the Germans, They also in the larger cities disrupted commerce by pitting on bureaucrat against another. One of their leader was quoted "I take no greater pleasure then to pit one German functionary against another". With the micro Management style of US the amount of havoc caused could have disrupted operations without a lawsuit seeking an injunction. Think about it for a second, you get a bunch of pilots using nothing more than words, how long to you think it would take for them to pit station manager against station manager? Get catering fighting with station mgmt, etc etc. Pretty soon you have all of these micromanaging retards fighting each other and the operation collapses and the pilots are never exposed to legal action. It's called being smart.

Except that the CEO of Usairways cant go ahead with contracts talks until this senority issue is settled, that is why us air went to court to see how to proceed, now usapa lost their motion on may 31 STILL USAPA REFUSES TO PUT THAT INFORMATION ON THEIR WEBSITE. A bunch of yellow neckers, yellow for coward, yellow for not sticking to your word, yellow for no integrity, yellow for no honor. In the end USAPA will lose huge, unless us airways goes out of business first, shame on you usapa , your just pickleballers but dont even know it.
 
What do you expect Hawk, hp's living in a tin shack in the desert at 110 degrees. He cant afford the a/c because he retired on $ 2500 a month from the rectal cancer of the airline industry. Have a nice day.
I wish it was a tin shack, easier to take care of. No, I can handle 110, hell, I keep the house at 88, heat is good for you. Plus, I always have the pool. Best part? Not living in a rusted out hell hole like Filthydelphia. Only bad thing about living in PHX is the touristas from back east when the weather is great here (the other 9 months).

BTW, only retired from HP, been working ever since and making a pretty good living, probably younger than you! I'm not underwater with my house, got a great deal, good rates and more house than I need, but not more than I can afford.

Come on by in Feb when Filthydelphia is covered in frozen snot. :lol: :lol: :lol:
 
This is complete idiocy. "Willfull misconduct" does not mean "doing that which should not be done or intentionally failing to do that which should be done, knowing that injury to a person will probably result or recklessly disregarding the possibility that injury to a person may result.

That would be the definition of gross negligence, not willfull misconduct. Willfull misconduct is intentional noncompliance with rules which may or may not involve the possibility of injury. For informational purposes, examples of willfull misconduct would include the following:

1) Repeatedly and intentionally violating company policy and FAA regulations by browsing files downloaded from the internet during flight on one's laptop computer.

2) Violating company policy and federal law (Uniform Code of Military Justice) by appearing in an advertisement for a commercial product (hair plug replacements) while wearing one's US Airways uniform and United States Air Force Reserve uniform. The severity of these violations would be exacerbated if said violations occurred hundreds of times over a multi-year period.


Gross negligence is a concept which would apply to your misplaced description of "willfull misconduct," to wit "doing that which should not be done or intentionally failing to do that which should be done, knowing that injury to a person will probably result or recklessly disregarding the possibility that injury to a person may result."

An example of gross negligence would be carelessly and recklessly operating an aircraft by repeatedly misprogramming airport coordinates at the gate, failing to accomplish repeated and mandatory crosschecks of route fix, course and distance information, and failure to crosscheck (mandatory) runway and route of flight information prior to departure.

After departure, such negligence would be considered more atrocious if not met with an immediate "owning up" of said mistakes along with a request to return to the departure airport to fix the problem. An example of this would be attempting to bluff one's way through an embarrassing situation by continuing flight under radar vectors (an unprecedented and outrageous multiplier of the risk factor to passengers - just imagine a lost communications situation with inaccurate navigational data) for over an hour while vainly trying to invent a cover-your-ass type scenario.


The hypothetical situations above are indeed reminders that we are all human and make mistakes. Nevertheless, the oft discussed concept of integrity would perhaps lead one to assume certain things. First, that any individual who had been guilty of such gross negligence would not be the lead actor in a slander campaign against a respected senior international Captain who had refused to be bullied into an Etops crossing under circumstances that said Captain had deemed unacceptable. Secondly, that after receiving nothing but support from one's fellow pilots after being guilty of gross negligence, no individual would be positively giddy over a reign of severe discipline and terminations against those pilots for much lesser transgressions.

Then again, maybe not.



Great post!

Bob
 
I wish it was a tin shack, easier to take care of. No, I can handle 110, hell, I keep the house at 88, heat is good for you. Plus, I always have the pool. Best part? Not living in a rusted out hell hole like Filthydelphia. Only bad thing about living in PHX is the touristas from back east when the weather is great here (the other 9 months).

BTW, only retired from HP, been working ever since and making a pretty good living, probably younger than you! I'm not underwater with my house, got a great deal, good rates and more house than I need, but not more than I can afford.

Come on by in Feb when Filthydelphia is covered in frozen snot. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Please stop telling people this. All of Arizona is very hot and not a nice place to visit. Also the scorpions and rattlesnakes make it impossible to go outside. Even if you could, this place is the kidnapping capital of the world. Do not come visit. You won't like it.
 
Please stop telling people this. All of Arizona is very hot and not a nice place to visit. Also the scorpions and rattlesnakes make it impossible to go outside. Even if you could, this place is the kidnapping capital of the world. Do not come visit. You won't like it.


Dang, you are right! Don't come here, its heat rash season! Two tourists from North Dakota spontaneously combusted on a street corner the other day! Please, don't come to Phoenix, don't take up all the tee times and don't drive down our streets at 30MPH. Its too hot and the gila monsters will eat your children!!! 😀
 
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