US Pilots Labor Discussion

[Black Swan]

Last night I was on my deck barbecuing a nice steak and after a few beers I started getting philosophical. I, like Mr. Parker do my best thinking after having a few. This deal is working out great for everyone if you really think about it. Both companies needed one another. The east is a money maker and PHX brings east/west traffic. Good points for each side staying separate for now:

East-Holds the Nic off so you can get upgrades. Several years of advancing seniority and when eventually the groups are combined most of the pilots forced east will be the most junior. Yeah you're under LOA93, but it seems most of you are OK with that. Maybe an few A330s get based in PHX(unlikely), but most of the larger aircraft stay out east with only east pilots bidding for them.

West-US needs PHX for a west presence, but once there is a single contract about 25% of the pilots get pushed out east. Staying separate keeps you were you want to be. The contract could be better, but with the way USAPA is negotiating I wouldn't be in a hurry for the next one. You may be angry now about slow upgrades, but one day the Nic will be implemented, it can only be held off so long legally. When that happens you jump ahead in seniority of the guys on the east that already upgraded. Yeah they beat you to an upgrade, but you're younger and eventually you'll be ahead of them in seniority.

Is Mr. Parker a little angry about the way it effects another possible merger? Yes, but all the bonus money and stock options make it easier to deal with.

I was doing the same, except was inside, with some rain starting to hit here in ILM. Bill Wilder was over, and we were talking about the Nic, and how the West pilots think it is a legally binding issue. Here is what he said........Enjoyed the conversation, and especially the part where he discussed why Parker has not accepted the Nicolau, and moved on for a merge. The answer was a very simple, HE CAN'T. What has it been? 4 years? I think Wilder is right on this one, Parker can't. As he so aptly said in your PHX crew news, 'THIS IS FOR YOU GUYS TO DECIDE..."



While the judge correctly concluded that USAPA is the successor to ALPA’s collective bargaining agreement, that in no way restricts USAPA from negotiating any and all terms of that agreement, including the Nicolau Award. The judge nowhere considers precedent, such as Association of Flight Attendants v. United Airlines and Association of Flight Attendants v. US Airways, which hold that a predecessor union’s collective bargaining agreement provides only the beginning point for a successor union’s negotiations and the successor is free to negotiate changes to the agreement. To do otherwise would perpetuate the rejected union as representative.

The court also wrongly held that USAPA is bound by the Nicolau Award as the product of ALPA Merger Policy. ALPA Merger Policy is only an internal union procedure. It is not part of the collective bargaining agreement with US Airways (even if it was, USAPA could still negotiate changes to it.) USAPA cannot be bound to ALPA Merger Policy since it is not ALPA, and only ALPA’s subordinate bodies, the Master Executive Councils (which, admittedly, are not real labor organizations) are bound to follow the Merger Policy. The Merger Policy has no standing under the Railway Labor Act and since USAPA’s successor obligations only exist under the RLA, they cannot include ALPA Merger Policy.

 

[Res Judicata]

I was doing the same, except was inside, with some rain starting to hit here in ILM. Bill Wilder was over, and we were talking about the Nic, and how the West pilots think it is a legally binding issue. Here is what he said........Enjoyed the conversation, and especially the part where he discussed why Parker has not accepted the Nicolau, and moved on for a merge. The answer was a very simple, HE CAN'T. What has it been? 4 years? I think Wilder is right on this one, Parker can't. As he so aptly said in your PHX crew news, 'THIS IS FOR YOU GUYS TO DECIDE..."



While the judge correctly concluded that USAPA is the successor to ALPA’s collective bargaining agreement, that in no way restricts USAPA from negotiating any and all terms of that agreement, including the Nicolau Award. The judge nowhere considers precedent, such as Association of Flight Attendants v. United Airlines and Association of Flight Attendants v. US Airways, which hold that a predecessor union’s collective bargaining agreement provides only the beginning point for a successor union’s negotiations and the successor is free to negotiate changes to the agreement. To do otherwise would perpetuate the rejected union as representative.

The court also wrongly held that USAPA is bound by the Nicolau Award as the product of ALPA Merger Policy. ALPA Merger Policy is only an internal union procedure. It is not part of the collective bargaining agreement with US Airways (even if it was, USAPA could still negotiate changes to it.) USAPA cannot be bound to ALPA Merger Policy since it is not ALPA, and only ALPA’s subordinate bodies, the Master Executive Councils (which, admittedly, are not real labor organizations) are bound to follow the Merger Policy. The Merger Policy has no standing under the Railway Labor Act and since USAPA’s successor obligations only exist under the RLA, they cannot include ALPA Merger Policy.

DOH is a proven DFR. It's really that simple. DOH = ILLEGAL

USAPA is too stupid to change.

 

[Alfa1900CSS]

I was doing the same, except was inside, with some rain starting to hit here in ILM. Bill Wilder was over, and we were talking about the Nic, and how the West pilots think it is a legally binding issue. Here is what he said........Enjoyed the conversation, and especially the part where he discussed why Parker has not accepted the Nicolau, and moved on for a merge. The answer was a very simple, HE CAN'T. What has it been? 4 years? I think Wilder is right on this one, Parker can't. As he so aptly said in your PHX crew news, 'THIS IS FOR YOU GUYS TO DECIDE..."



While the judge correctly concluded that USAPA is the successor to ALPA’s collective bargaining agreement, that in no way restricts USAPA from negotiating any and all terms of that agreement, including the Nicolau Award. The judge nowhere considers precedent, such as Association of Flight Attendants v. United Airlines and Association of Flight Attendants v. US Airways, which hold that a predecessor union’s collective bargaining agreement provides only the beginning point for a successor union’s negotiations and the successor is free to negotiate changes to the agreement. To do otherwise would perpetuate the rejected union as representative.

The court also wrongly held that USAPA is bound by the Nicolau Award as the product of ALPA Merger Policy. ALPA Merger Policy is only an internal union procedure. It is not part of the collective bargaining agreement with US Airways (even if it was, USAPA could still negotiate changes to it.) USAPA cannot be bound to ALPA Merger Policy since it is not ALPA, and only ALPA’s subordinate bodies, the Master Executive Councils (which, admittedly, are not real labor organizations) are bound to follow the Merger Policy. The Merger Policy has no standing under the Railway Labor Act and since USAPA’s successor obligations only exist under the RLA, they cannot include ALPA Merger Policy.

Well someone better sit down with Mr. Parker and his legal team and explain that to him. Because the only reason he doesn't want to accept the Nic is the east. He doesn't want a melt down. You should be happy though. Your side makes more money and has a greater number of pilots, hence he would like to keep you from causing too much havoc. You may think why is he suing us then? One reason is Cleary is forcing him to and a another is he is worried about your reaction from a LOA 93 decision. I know you won't take my advice, but I'll give it just the same. Keep USAPA and the pilot groups seperate, but if you end up with the Nic down the line don't have a meltdown. Just be thankfull you held it off for as long as you did.

 

[767one]

You have been through a lot, emotions are dangerous in any situation. Really, time will settle many differences regardless of comments made on here.
Parker is a disaster and needs to be fired. An NCO Marine will be discharged after one DUI, let alone 3. There is little honor, respect or morals running big business these days. Time for a change.

I agree with you 100% on this post.


Regards,

Bob

 

[traderjake]

They seem to be one in the same.

You don't know who the enemy is and that is why you'll never succeed.

 

[luvn737s]

Parker is as incompetent as they come. He is immoral, unethical, shows virtually zero propensity to understand the word 'leadership' and on top of that is a three time drunken bum. He doesn't have a clue what he is doing and he brings on hired thugs like Glass that are as bad as he is. Remember when Lorenzo was the business man of the year one year followed by being excommunicated from the airline industry the next? It just takes a little time before even the dimmest bulbs figure it out; so there's still hope for you, Move2CLT.

Parker's true colors are very clear to anyone paying attention. Soon he will be right up there in the spotlight, just like Lorenzo; and the entire world will know what a sleezebag loser he truely is.

V

Lorenzo was head of Eastern for 39 months. Parker has run HP/US for almost 3 times as long. You think if he was going to become that notorious, he would have by now.

 

[ManDachine]

You have been through a lot, emotions are dangerous in any situation. Really, time will settle many differences regardless of comments made on here.
Parker is a disaster and needs to be fired. An NCO Marine will be discharged after one DUI, let alone 3. There is little honor, respect or morals running big business these days. Time for a change.

I also agree, Great Post!

 

[cactusboy53]

Even better, has USAPA even been contacted by a law enforcement agency? Any LEA?

No. Not one.

I did hear that the local FBI office agents play rock-paper-scissors when the caller I.D. says USAPA. Loser answers.

 

[Iclubbabyseals]

Because the only reason he doesn't want to accept the Nic is the east. He doesn't want a melt down.

Drinking the koolaide, yet, again?

News, apparently, to you. Mr. Parker has no say in the integration.

None. That is why he loses no sleep in the matter. Please, try to keep up.

 

[Iclubbabyseals]

Lorenzo was head of Eastern for 39 months. Parker has run HP/US for almost 3 times as long. You think if he was going to become that notorious, he would have by now.

A ridiculously small minded person might think that.

 

[Iclubbabyseals]

I did hear that the local FBI office agents play rock-paper-scissors when the caller I.D. says USAPA. Loser answers.

I got deposed on the issue, by the Arizona DA, the PA DA, and the FBI.

I suspect that this will go much higher that the "pilots" involved, which is where the evidence seems to lead. Personally, I feel the "pilots" were set up by upper level management. Love to see Mr. Parker and cohorts led out cuffed. Bastards.

 

[Iclubbabyseals]

Or maybe he won't. Did he do that with the volcano? No he didn't.

Actually, those trips were, indeed, paid in full. In addition, the crew members were compensated in many other ways not in the contract, but, like a worm, you may have missed all that information, being that you were busy seeking poop.

 

[Move2CLT]

Drinking the koolaide, yet, again?

News, apparently, to you. Mr. Parker has no say in the integration.

None. That is why he loses no sleep in the matter. Please, try to keep up.

Then why do you guys keep begging him to settle this?

 

[Res Judicata]

I got deposed on the issue, by the Arizona DA, the PA DA, and the FBI.

I suspect that this will go much higher that the "pilots" involved, which is where the evidence seems to lead. Personally, I feel the "pilots" were set up by upper level management. Love to see Mr. Parker and cohorts led out cuffed. Bastards.

The delusions are limitless.

 

[Iclubbabyseals]

Parker got those loans so he gets the credit.

No, he did not. Warren Buffet told me so. Stop with the idiocy. Please.

It was USAir money and the fact that Mr. Parker scammed the "west" employees into working for nothing.