US Pilots Labor Discussion

[Iclubbabyseals]

Then why do you guys keep begging him to settle this?

One out of 3800 pilots who sucked Mr. Parker's tutu? and you think the entire east group thinks that way? Wishful thinking, at it's best. Good luck!

 

[Iclubbabyseals]

Then why do you guys keep begging him to settle this?

Only, one, that I can see, begs.

The rest are willing to comply with federal law to put your "leader" in jail, oh, and piss on him.

 

[Alfa1900CSS]

The delusions are limitless.

At first I thought he was just trying to goad the west pilots on here. Now it appears medication may be necessary. It's like watching a 4 year old make up stories. Priceless.

 

[nic4us]

I was doing the same, except was inside, with some rain starting to hit here in ILM. Bill Wilder was over, and we were talking about the Nic, and how the West pilots think it is a legally binding issue. Here is what he said........Enjoyed the conversation, and especially the part where he discussed why Parker has not accepted the Nicolau, and moved on for a merge. The answer was a very simple, HE CAN'T. What has it been? 4 years? I think Wilder is right on this one, Parker can't. As he so aptly said in your PHX crew news, 'THIS IS FOR YOU GUYS TO DECIDE..."



While the judge correctly concluded that USAPA is the successor to ALPA’s collective bargaining agreement, that in no way restricts USAPA from negotiating any and all terms of that agreement, including the Nicolau Award. The judge nowhere considers precedent, such as Association of Flight Attendants v. United Airlines and Association of Flight Attendants v. US Airways, which hold that a predecessor union’s collective bargaining agreement provides only the beginning point for a successor union’s negotiations and the successor is free to negotiate changes to the agreement. To do otherwise would perpetuate the rejected union as representative.

The court also wrongly held that USAPA is bound by the Nicolau Award as the product of ALPA Merger Policy. ALPA Merger Policy is only an internal union procedure. It is not part of the collective bargaining agreement with US Airways (even if it was, USAPA could still negotiate changes to it.) USAPA cannot be bound to ALPA Merger Policy since it is not ALPA, and only ALPA’s subordinate bodies, the Master Executive Councils (which, admittedly, are not real labor organizations) are bound to follow the Merger Policy. The Merger Policy has no standing under the Railway Labor Act and since USAPA’s successor obligations only exist under the RLA, they cannot include ALPA Merger Policy.

Next time Mr. wilder is over, point out to him that his statement I bolded is incorrect. ALPA merger policy was indeed part of both collective bargaining agreements, still is, and was further mandated in a side letter to those agreements called the Transition Agreement.

So Mr Wilder takes a flat out false premise, (that ALPA merger policy was not part of the CBA), then turns his incorrect assumption on its head by saying usapa could still negotiate changes, convieniently not mentioning any changes would have to meet usapa's DFR to the West, and would always be measured against the Nic.

Further, there has since been a new federal law enacted that would indeed require the exact same process we used, in any future airline mergers, and it most certainly is binding upon successor organizations, just as the Nic arbitration is binding on usapa, regardless of what Wilder says about the RLA.


As far as your statements about how Parker can't accept the Nic. Also, completely false. Parker has accepted the Nic, I got a letter from him confirming the company's acceptance of the Nic. Meanwhile, what the company and Parker absolutely refused to accept was that DOH list usapa presented at the table. So, once again Wilder is 180 degrees from the truth. Wilder claims "can't accept" what has already been accepted, and is to this day the only "accepted" system seniority list at LCC. Meanwhile, usapa is utterly powerless to have its list even considered, much less accepted.

I think you are putting to much into Wilder's statements, especially since he has been proven to be completely ignorant of our situation.

 

[Alfa1900CSS]

The delusions are limitless.

When you watch this, just picture him in full pilot uniform sitting next to you. I know, I know, he's sitting on the wrong side, but it's still darn funny.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPMS6tGOACo

 

[nic4us]

Only, one, that I can see, begs.

The rest are willing to comply with federal law to put your "leader" in jail, oh, and piss on him.

I am pretty sure that just about every time in the last year that Parker went to CLT for a crewnews, some east pilot brings up how bad things are on the east, and how unfair it is that the east does not have parity, and how low 190 wages are, and generally just how bad it sucks to be you.

Which I find very strange, because when I meet east employees in my system travels, everyone responds to my pleasant cordiality with an equally upbeat demeanor.


Which leader are we putting in jail this week? Parker, EF, the ACP? I got an idea, maybe this week we can get the criminals at usapa some time in the big house. As far as urinating on whoever goes to jail, you are giving way too much info, kindly keep you and your boyfriends jailhouse shower fantasies private.

 

[Iclubbabyseals]

I got an idea, maybe this week we can get the criminals at usapa some time in the big house. As far as urinating on whoever goes to jail, you are giving way too much info, kindly keep you and your boyfriends jailhouse shower fantasies private.

OK, little girl. I can see what excites you. Please, keep it to yourself.

I am a Mae West follower, being one of her descendants.

"I don't care what you do in your bedroom, as long as you don't scare the horses in the street."

I might suggest that you vocal members of the "west", scare the horses in the street. The east is not scared, nearly all being "on board". Have a good day.

 

[luvthe9]

I am pretty sure that just about every time in the last year that Parker went to CLT for a crewnews, some east pilot brings up how bad things are on the east, and how unfair it is that the east does not have parity, and how low 190 wages are, and generally just how bad it sucks to be you.

I am pretty sure that just about every time in the last year that Parker went to PHX or LAS (before he closed that money losing operation) for a crewnews, some west pilot's brings up how bad things since they can't cash in the NIC lottery ticket and how the "list" is on Doug's desk, but my favorite was watching tht blonde chick with the kids whine, that was the absolute best!!!

 

[Iclubbabyseals]

I am pretty sure that just about every time in the last year that Parker went to CLT for a crewnews, some east pilot brings up how bad things are on the east, and how unfair it is that the east does not have parity, and how low 190 wages are, and generally just how bad it sucks to be you.

and, you are too, um, stupid, to know that much, if not all, of the crew view stuff is not propaganda? Hello?

 

[whizbang]

and, you are too, um, stupid, to know that much, if not all, of the crew view stuff is not propaganda? Hello?

definitely propaganda. Lets look at this from a financial standpoint . If we separated the operation back into east and west who would be the most profitable? Im sure the leeches in PHX would stay with the east because they would stand to gain more in our sale. Since we arent realizing our full potential from the merger synergies and probably never will do to the intense hatred of the pilot groups, I think we should split up and see who survives. Im betting on the east how about you.

 

[Iclubbabyseals]

I am pretty sure that just about every time in the last year that Parker went to PHX or LAS (before he closed that money losing operation) for a crewnews, some west pilot's brings up how bad things since they can't cash in the NIC lottery ticket and how the "list" is on Doug's desk, but my favorite was watching tht blonde chick with the kids whine, that was the absolute best!!!

That was great! Mesa Grande = trailer trash.

Why would anyone even think the two groups would even think they could "work" together?

 

[mikey60]

Nic and a new contract.

No....we'll stay right where we are, 93 and you are the lowest paid pilots in the industry.

 

[nic4us]

I am pretty sure that just about every time in the last year that Parker went to PHX or LAS (before he closed that money losing operation) for a crewnews, some west pilot's brings up how bad things since they can't cash in the NIC lottery ticket and how the "list" is on Doug's desk, but my favorite was watching tht blonde chick with the kids whine, that was the absolute best!!!

Parker never held a crewnews in LAS. or PIT, LGA, and BOS for that matter.

I have never been to a session. There is no such thing as a free lunch, particularly true if you have to listen to the tripe in any of those events.

The "blonde chick" was Suzie, of the infamous arbitration bearing her name. I did not enjoy watching her talk. I personally think she has handled herself incorrectly in her dealings with usapa. She took on a very in your face attitude from the begining, and got singled out by the usapa scumbags for just that reason. They could not get her into the RICO suit, so she was first up in the section 29 termination list. Have I mentioned lately that any usapa supporter is a scab???


I would have to say my favorite east crew news was when the then VP of uscaba Cleary, accused Parker of furloughing as a "negotiating tactic". Not because of the pissed off and at the same time puzzled look on Parker's face, while he tried to figure out why Cleary even though the company was negotiating anything with the scab organization, but because something remarkable then happend. Another east pilot then stood up and called the little scab out. Classic, right when a uscaba rep thinks they have the company in a compromising situation, somebody, anybody, just points out that you are all scabs, and your point is worthless. Has happened in every news article to date. Happens when James (Continental scab) Ray talks to reporters at info pickets. Happens in the crewnews. That is the absolute best. The constant trivializing of a scab organization.


Another thing, I thought the camera was supposed to make you look 10 pounds heavier, why is it that it makes Cleary look 10 inches shorter?

 

[whizbang]

No....we'll stay right where we are, 93 and you are the lowest paid pilots in the industry. Maybe you should have Dougie sell you off so you can be happy. Do you think you would get the same windfall with another airline? Grow up and see the writing on the wall.

 

[nic4us]

definitely propaganda. Lets look at this from a financial standpoint . If we separated the operation back into east and west who would be the most profitable? Im sure the leeches in PHX would stay with the east because they would stand to gain more in our sale. Since we arent realizing our full potential from the merger synergies and probably never will do to the intense hatred of the pilot groups, I think we should split up and see who survives. Im betting on the east how about you.

I am betting on the West and our modern fleet of 216 A320s, 16 A330s and 15 E190s.

Good luck, and may the best airline win!!!