US Pilots Labor Discussion

[No Land Green]

Except you left the first pimp and jumped to a worse pimp. The answer might be stop being hoes.

Take your own advice and take off your Nic Goggles while you are at it.

 

[cleardirect]

Of course that all depends on the kind of POS JCBA this weak pilot group buys off on. Is "company paid moving expenses" in the Kirby POS Proposal that so many of you want?

Go back and read my post. We are not operating under the Kirby we are operating under separate contracts. Our current contract pays for moving expenses. Remaining separate means that the company can not close PHX. Closing PHX was the original false threat.

I'd be more worried they don't start to close that money losing base in PHX. Your a drain on our system.

 

[aquagreen73s]

I'd be more worried they don't start to close that money losing base in PHX. Your a drain on our system.

Drains are at the bottom, and the drain for LCC is the cost structure from the East. Even having two-thirds of the pilots on a bankruptcy contract isn't enough to make LCC a low cost airline. JBLU operates on the east and their cost structure is significantly less. It's not a revenue problem, it's cost problem. You brought your cancer with you, even after two trips through bankruptcy court.

JBLU casm 11.1 cents excluding fuel 6.62 cents

LCC casm 13.15 cents excluding fuel 8.16 cents

If it were not for the low operating costs of PHX, the disparity would be greater.

The Creditors' Committee was right. It should have been liquidated and assets auctioned.

 

[No Land Green]

Go back and read my post. We are not operating under the Kirby we are operating under separate contracts. Our current contract pays for moving expenses. Remaining separate means that the company can not close PHX. Closing PHX was the original false threat.

Yeah and I'm talking when and if it ever gets together and the Company gets out of paying moving expenses, we will see just how big PHX remains. We have all seen this before on the East.

 

[luvthe9]

I think the company would have a very hard time justifying closing a base with 300 flights a day. Also no TDY so that means the company would have to have a bid forcing all PHX pilots into either CLT, PHL or DCA paying for the move of every west pilots. We would also have a separate chief pilot structure and offices within a single domicile. Very expensive. All of the overnights required in PHX. No way.

Does PIT ring a bell, it had close to 600 a day. They could just star to downsize the base slowly it's not out of the question. PHX is where we bleed the most.

 

[No Land Green]

The Creditors' Committee was right. It should have been liquidated and assets auctioned.

You are so correct. What's even better AWA was right behind AAA in the Liqidation Line.....Zanzibar...LMAO!!!!!

AWA had NO money to buy AAA Assets.........

 

[aquagreen73s]

Does PIT ring a bell, it had close to 600 a day. They could just star to downsize the base slowly it's not out of the question. PHX is where we bleed the most.

In other words, change the stock symbol and merging with a true low cost airline wasn't enough to make US Air competitive.

It should have been allowed to die when we all had the chance in Judge Steven Mitchell's court.

 

[aquagreen73s]

You are so correct. What's even better AWA was right behind AAA in the Liqidation Line.....Zanzibar...LMAO!!!!!

AWA had NO money to buy AAA Assets.........

THere is a big difference between Ch11 reorganization and Ch7 liquidation. Zanzibar apparently was a contingency is AWA couldn't get refinancing for the balloon payments that were coming due in 2006. Doug had assured AWA employees in early 2005, before the US Air merger was announced, that a US Air liquidation would be beneficial for the remaining airlines and that AWA should be fine at that point to secure financing. Doug said at that brown bag that a 5% elimination of ASMs would have a nonlinear effect on revenues. That was January of 2005.

You were being liquidated but dammit, Doug screwed things up.

 

[Phoenix]

Admitting the problem is the first step. So you are admitting that you east pilots are hookers.
You attacked ALPA and stole the money.

OK!

Except you left the first pimp and jumped to a worse pimp. The answer might be stop being hoes.

Your ALPAphile is showing. ALPA always operated like the money was theirs rather than ours. Kinda telling how you seemed to naturally assume the same. 😉

 

[No Land Green]

THere is a big difference between Ch11 reorganization and Ch7 liquidation. Zanzibar apparently was a contingency is AWA couldn't get refinancing for the balloon payments that were coming due in 2006. Doug had assured AWA employees in early 2005, before the US Air merger was announced, that a US Air liquidation would be beneficial for the remaining airlines and that AWA should be fine at that point to secure financing. Doug said at that brown bag that a 5% elimination of ASMs would have a nonlinear effect on revenues. That was January of 2005.

You were being liquidated but dammit, Doug screwed things up.

You believe Doug?

 

[No Land Green]

Your ALPAphile is showing. ALPA always operated like the money was theirs rather than ours. Kinda telling how you seemed to naturally assume the same. 😉

Yeah it's definitely a ticket puncher getting that National Office or even just marrying a senior management person.

 

[cleardirect]

Yeah and I'm talking when and if it ever gets together and the Company gets out of paying moving expenses, we will see just how big PHX remains. We have all seen this before on the East.

Are you trying to make the case for west pilots to vote for a crap contract that usapa would bring? What are you not understanding? The rookie NAC will not can not get the same protections that the T/A has for PHX. We know the company wants to SHIFT flying to the east. Most of don't want to go. So anything minor ( a couple dollars) in addition to all the other things the NAC is giving away in the west contract is not worth a new contract. The west is better off where we are with T/A protections than anything the east NAC can get.

As long as we have separate ops and you are on LOA 93 PHX stays the same size. They can't close it and they can't furlough. What is usapa offering with a new contract for PHX?

 

[cleardirect]

Does PIT ring a bell, it had close to 600 a day. They could just star to downsize the base slowly it's not out of the question. PHX is where we bleed the most.

When was the last time PIT had 600 flights a day? 2000-2001. How many flights a day did PIT have when it was closed? 100? The T/A does not allow TDY to other bases. The T/A has min block hours. So the company cannot downsize without sending that flying somewhere else. How do they do that?

How about a nice MCO, FLL, TPA west crew base? The company could do that.

How do you know that PHX is where we bleed the most? When was the last company filing that broke out profits by base? currently it is the east that is bleeding $377,000 per day because of alleged east pilot action.

 

[BoeingBoy]

You believe Doug?

And you don't? Seems like you quote him when it suits your purposes...

Jim

 

[BoeingBoy]

How do you know that PHX is where we bleed the most?

It's strictly wishful thinking by the easties. Who apparently don't know anything about airline economics judging by the attempts to compare PHX with PIT. Close PHX and US would be right back facing liquidation in short order.

Jim