US Pilots Labor Discussion

[Move2CLT]

Correction...you would ATTEMPT to get an injunction. That's no slam dunk as the company is finding out right now. Of course, it's just an opinion...like yours.

Driver

Ok, I accept that. But if you had to put money in which way it would go the odds would be in our favor.

 

[Move2CLT]

What is required to implement the contract? (Hint...why is it still not implemented today?) Never will be a DOH. Never will be an implemented NIC.

And you will never see a raise.

Wow, that was fun! <_<

 

[USA320Pilot]

Today's Trivia - The Time Value of Money: September 9, 2011

Here are some interesting points:

1. The US Airways-America West merger closed on September 27, 2005. The company will celebrate the merger's six-year anniversary in about two weeks.

2. ALPA reports indicate 80 to 85% of the pilot joint contract was completed about 4 years ago. When Scott Kirby joined the discussions this signaled the company was entering the "close out" phase of discussions.

3. The Kirby Proposal provided to ALPA about 4 years ago provided East Coast-based pilots a 17% increase, increased retirement, and productivity enhancements, with the parties had not yet reaching an agreement on scope.

See Story

4. 4 years ago Lyle Hogg told me he was authorized to counter the JNC's next pay counter proposal by increasing US Airways' East Coast-based pilot pay by 20%.

5. Last month Doug Parker told PHX and CLT Crew news attendees that the DJ lawsuit would take 1.5 years to complete and the appeal would take another year. That's 2.5 years to get a judicial opinion on US Airways' DJ lawsuit. Then, in my opinion, real joint contract talks will begin and it will take our "all rookie" NAC another 1.5 to 2.5 years to close their first ever Tentative Agreement.

6. I believe the total time to reach a joint contract after the close of the merger, based on Parker's comments, could be 10 to 11 years or in 2015 or 2016.

7. US Airways East narrowbody Captains and First Officers employed during this period will lose about $45,000 and $30,000, respectively, in unrecoverable in pay and retirement benefits per year from the Kirby Proposal + 3%, alone . A $45,000 and $30,000 per year pay/retirement loss, plus the time value of money, would result in East narrowbody Captains losing over $600,000 and East nrrowbody First Oficers losing over $400,000 in pay and retirement money, alone (if USAPA loses the LOA 93 grievance, which had its last hearing over 19 months ago on February 4, 2010). This would be the second largest economic loss for East pilots since John Davis and the original RC4 in "closed session" did not agree on two separate occasions, against the advice of ALPA National R&I and our MEC's R&I Committee, to freeze the East Pilot DB Retirement Plan and create an "A" and "B" Plan per CEO Seth Schofield's offer.

 

[No Land Green]

Today's Trivia - The Time Value of Money: September 9, 2011

Here are some interesting points:

1. The US Airways-America West merger closed on September 27, 2005. The company will celebrate the merger's six-year anniversary in about two weeks.

2. ALPA reports indicate 80 to 85% of the pilot joint contract was completed about 4 years ago. When Scott Kirby joined the discussions this signaled the company was entering the "close out" phase of discussions.

3. The Kirby Proposal provided to ALPA about 4 years ago provided East Coast-based pilots a 17% increase, increased retirement, and productivity enhancements, with the parties had not yet reaching an agreement on scope.

See Story

4. 4 years ago Lyle Hogg told me he was authorized to counter the JNC's next pay counter proposal by increasing US Airways' East Coast-based pilot pay by 20%.

5. Last month Doug Parker told PHX and CLT Crew news attendees that the DJ lawsuit would take 1.5 years to complete and the appeal would take another year. That's 2.5 years to get a judicial opinion on US Airways' DJ lawsuit. Then, in my opinion, real joint contract talks will begin and it will take our "all rookie" NAC another 1.5 to 2.5 years to close their first ever Tentative Agreement.

6. I believe the total time to reach a joint contract after the close of the merger, based on Parker's comments, could be 10 to 11 years or in 2015 or 2016.

7. US Airways East narrowbody Captains and First Officers employed during this period will lose about $45,000 and $30,000, respectively, in unrecoverable in pay and retirement benefits per year from the Kirby Proposal + 3%, alone . A $45,000 and $30,000 per year pay/retirement loss, plus the time value of money, would result in East narrowbody Captains losing over $600,000 and East nrrowbody First Oficers losing over $400,000 in pay and retirement money, alone (if USAPA loses the LOA 93 grievance, which had its last hearing over 19 months ago on February 4, 2010). This would be the second largest economic loss for East pilots since John Davis and the original RC4 in "closed session" did not agree on two separate occasions, against the advice of ALPA National R&I and our MEC's R&I Committee, to freeze the East Pilot DB Retirement Plan and create an "A" and "B" Plan per CEO Seth Schofield's offer.

How in the world did DAL/NWA ever get to a JCBA BEFORE a Joint Seniority List? CAL/UAL is doing the same thing.......

 

[Move2CLT]

I love these CLT guys. You truly couldn't find a more moronic trio if you tried.

"Make no mistake; LOA 93, if won, will be a game changer and will make the 15[SUP]th[/SUP] and 30[SUP]th[/SUP] easier to live with (for some of us)..."

Fist off, its good to see some realism in the above sentence with the word "if.". Unfortunately, fantasy soon ensures. If they think that their paychecks will magically grow overnight then they're idiots. The remedy portion of the arbitration is going to take a couples of years at the very least. And who is to say the company has to follow binding arbitration. I think there is precedence on that, right?

"Even if we win we must intensify our efforts to negotiate to a complete joint contract to return all our pilots to the industry standards we all deserve."

Intensify how? Are you not intense now. What will be difference. What if an injunction is in place? Will that have an impact on intensity?

"If we win, it almost certainly would cause the Company to start bargaining in good faith towards an industry standard contract for all US Airways pilots."

If you win, nothing changes. Your paychecks stay the same and there are no snapbacks. The remedy phase drags out for a few years and you flounder under an injunction. In the mean time, the company shifts flying west.

"If we lose, the pilot group will become increasingly frustrated by the Company's lack of good faith at the bargaining table, which should move things along."

This is a completely asinine statement. How will frustration move things along? Are they insinuating a more intense work action? Or do they think Doug will sense the east's frustration and cave? Absolutely dumb. But it's great for the company as I'm sure it will be included in the pile of evidence the company already has.

Please Pi tell me that you see this BS for what it is. If you don't, I may lose all the respect I have for you and no longer see you as my equal on this board. You'll be nothing more than a Claxon/MM/aPollo/Bluto to me.

I'm going to bump this once so that I can give Pi, or any other eastie foe that matter, a chance to respond.

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

Seriously Claxon? Please, STFU if you have nothing productive to add.

AH, the slap of reality upon ones face! MM! Like your the "KING OF PRODUCTIVE"

 

[Phoenix]

I'm going to bump this once so that I can give Pi, or any other eastie foe that matter, a chance to respond.

Leospanker sent us #### in the mail that we didn't read either. Leospanker seems to have stopped sending glossy little publications because they realized it wasn't being read. Leospanker Jr. hasn't figured that out yet.

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

I'm going to bump this once so that I can give Pi, or any other eastie foe that matter, a chance to respond.

The only moronic response would be and is an Army Of Leadusonhireables mailer!

 

[Phoenix]

For the life of me, I can't figure out where this guy stands, what exactly are the points he is trying to make, what, if any, plan he has and how he intends to implement it.

He should be happy that I am not based in CLT.

If NIC4US doesn't hate him half as much as Captain Wells then he isn't the right guy.

 

[Move2CLT]

Leospanker sent us #### in the mail that we didn't read either. Leospanker seems to have stopped sending glossy little publications because they realized it wasn't being read. Leospanker Jr. hasn't figured that out yet.

Leonidas got their point across with their mailings and were highly successful. More east guys read those than threw them away.

 

[Move2CLT]

The only moronic response would be and is an Army Of Leadusonhireables mailer!

Yawn.

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

Today's Trivia - The Time Value of Money: September 9, 2011

Here are some interesting points:

1. The US Airways-America West merger closed on September 27, 2005. The company will celebrate the merger's six-year anniversary in about two weeks.

2. ALPA reports indicate 80 to 85% of the pilot joint contract was completed about 4 years ago. When Scott Kirby joined the discussions this signaled the company was entering the "close out" phase of discussions.

3. The Kirby Proposal provided to ALPA about 4 years ago provided East Coast-based pilots a 17% increase, increased retirement, and productivity enhancements, with the parties had not yet reaching an agreement on scope.

See Story

4. 4 years ago Lyle Hogg told me he was authorized to counter the JNC's next pay counter proposal by increasing US Airways' East Coast-based pilot pay by 20%.

5. Last month Doug Parker told PHX and CLT Crew news attendees that the DJ lawsuit would take 1.5 years to complete and the appeal would take another year. That's 2.5 years to get a judicial opinion on US Airways' DJ lawsuit. Then, in my opinion, real joint contract talks will begin and it will take our "all rookie" NAC another 1.5 to 2.5 years to close their first ever Tentative Agreement.

6. I believe the total time to reach a joint contract after the close of the merger, based on Parker's comments, could be 10 to 11 years or in 2015 or 2016.

7. US Airways East narrowbody Captains and First Officers employed during this period will lose about $45,000 and $30,000, respectively, in unrecoverable in pay and retirement benefits per year from the Kirby Proposal + 3%, alone . A $45,000 and $30,000 per year pay/retirement loss, plus the time value of money, would result in East narrowbody Captains losing over $600,000 and East nrrowbody First Oficers losing over $400,000 in pay and retirement money, alone (if USAPA loses the LOA 93 grievance, which had its last hearing over 19 months ago on February 4, 2010). This would be the second largest economic loss for East pilots since John Davis and the original RC4 in "closed session" did not agree on two separate occasions, against the advice of ALPA National R&I and our MEC's R&I Committee, to freeze the East Pilot DB Retirement Plan and create an "A" and "B" Plan per CEO Seth Schofield's offer.

Hey 4 years ago I think we were told by "YOU" how the UNITED merger was going down, "IN my opinion" granted you deserve one , BUT NORON PLEEZ, your better served on the soccer field okay! Observing! Whatever ALPA pays you, it is another reason they will never see this property in the near future or why, and GOD BLESS THEM, JET BLUE chose "NO REPRESENTATION" over SCALPA!

 

[Move2CLT]

AH, the slap of reality upon ones face! MM! Like your the "KING OF PRODUCTIVE"

Boo, your posts are getting dumber and more incoherent by the day. Drive yourself to an ER and ask them to check for a stroke.

Go SF Bulls, right JA?

 

[fodase]

Leospanker sent us #### in the mail that we didn't read either. Leospanker seems to have stopped sending glossy little publications because they realized it wasn't being read. Leospanker Jr. hasn't figured that out yet.

Leonidas has a brochure ready to go, just waiting on the loa 93 loss to send it out.

 

[Phoenix]

Leonidas got their point across with their mailings and were highly successful. More east guys read those than threw them away.

The fiction enthusiasts and comic book collectors don't count, but you can be glad you have a full head of hair.