US Pilots Labor Discussion

[Res Judicata]

Oh, so you do think it is to delay, and not a valid suit. Great, because the west story moves all around. Could you testify in NY?

Of course its about delay. You geniuses hand delivered Parker a LOA 93 extension on a silver platter with a pretty little bow on top. He's now ramming it in your nether regions. The company is not going to move away from the Nic. They just refuse to explicitly acknowledge that yet. Why should they? You guys are so full of delusional false hope, he's going to pull as much cash out of your pockets he can...until you finally realise the futility.

Thankfully, its you guys getting crushed...not the west.

 

[A320 Driver]

Of course its about delay. You geniuses hand delivered Parker a LOA 93 extension on a silver platter with a pretty little bow on top. He's now ramming it in your nether regions. The company is not going to move away from the Nic. They just refuse to explicitly acknowledge that yet. Why should they? You guys are so full of delusional false hope, he's going to pull as much cash out of your pockets he can...until you finally realise the futility.

Thankfully, its you guys getting crushed...not the west.

Well, lets just say for the sake of argument that Parker really does want a contract. He has about $40 million in synergies left in the merger and wants to go out and spend that $80+ million he needs for a pilot contract.

If that is really the case, why not settle the contract, vote on it, sign it, and let you guys file your suit then? That way, we would be enjoying a new contract and Parker would have his merger while the courts sort out the seniority issue.

But, I guess he and the board are enjoying the benefits of LOA 93 too much and the DJ lawsuit was the PERFECT way to keep it in play for the foreseeable future.

I think that is a plausible theory since that is what we do around here...push theories.

Driver B)

 

[aquagreen73s]

We will continue to fight for separate ops. The west is better off alone and insulated in Phoenix than to mix in with the toxic east. No offense, but there isn't an overwhelming need to mix in now that the airline is in retreat mode and a couple court actions and arbitrations are coming due. Enjoy your LOA.

Well stated.

Frivolous RICO. Non-representation. Bull$#### address allegations. Cram-down holier than thou mentality. Forget it. Enjoy what you've sown. BK wages for as far as the eye can see.

 

[Pi brat]

So today, or at least today at cocktail hour delay is good? I have a hard time keeping track of your opinions. Why so mad then?

 

[Move2CLT]

Well, lets just say for the sake of argument that Parker really does want a contract. He has about $40 million in synergies left in the merger and wants to go out and spend that $80+ million he needs for a pilot contract.

If that is really the case, why not settle the contract, vote on it, sign it, and let you guys file your suit then? That way, we would be enjoying a new contract and Parker would have his merger while the courts sort out the seniority issue.

But, I guess he and the board are enjoying the benefits of LOA 93 too much and the DJ lawsuit was the PERFECT way to keep it in play for the foreseeable future.

I think that is a plausible theory since that is what we do around here...push theories.

Driver B)

Actually, we would injunct both the company and USAPA from implementing the new contract. So no, you would not enjoy your new contract. B)

 

[A320 Driver]

Actually, we would injunct both the company and USAPA from implementing the new contract. So no, you would not enjoy your new contract. B)

Correction...you would ATTEMPT to get an injunction. That's no slam dunk as the company is finding out right now. Of course, it's just an opinion...like yours.

Driver

 

[BoeingBoy]

Correction...you would ATTEMPT to get an injunction.

It might not take one. Given the certainty of a DFR suit if USAPA's list is used, Parker or certainly Glass is smart enough to add a little LOA that the contract could no go into effect unless the seniority list contained in it goes into effect. Given that any DFR suit would be over the seniority list, an injunction against section 22 going into effect would be a pretty sure thing. If the company can't integrate the planes and pilots, why would they willingly let a joint contract go into effect?

Jim

 

[crazystnic]

It might not take one. Given the certainty of a DFR suit if USAPA's list is used, Parker or certainly Glass is smart enough to add a little LOA that the contract could no go into effect unless the seniority list contained in it goes into effect. Given that any DFR suit would be over the seniority list, an injunction against section 22 going into effect would be a pretty sure thing. If the company can't integrate the planes and pilots, why would they willingly let a joint contract go into effect?

Jim

because it's good business... because that way they can learn how to run a service orginazation... oh never mind.

 

[Iclubbabyseals]

Given the certainty of a DFR suit if USAPA's list is used, ....

and the certainty of a DFR suit if the "nic" is used...

Parker never had any intention of presiding over a "merged list". The sooner the pilots recognize that, the sooner they can get on with their lives.

 

[A320 Driver]

It might not take one. Given the certainty of a DFR suit if USAPA's list is used, Parker or certainly Glass is smart enough to add a little LOA that the contract could no go into effect unless the seniority list contained in it goes into effect. Given that any DFR suit would be over the seniority list, an injunction against section 22 going into effect would be a pretty sure thing. If the company can't integrate the planes and pilots, why would they willingly let a joint contract go into effect?

Jim

I'm just making a point here Jim that there is more than one way this could have gone down. IMO this DJ is a stall plain and simple. I look at the notes from the negotiations and we are getting farther apart instead of closer together. I've actually seen USAPA soften it's bargaining position on some issues only to have the company stiffen theirs. The only reason I can see for management actually embracing a contract is if a merger or acquisition hinged on it.

Driver

 

[BoeingBoy]

I don't see anything from the negotiations except what's posted here, but from the company perspective I can see how they would hope that the DJ solves their problem (at least legal liability and possibly the seniority dispute) as long as the Judge picks one of the three choices they gave, and if one of the first two is chosen it ends the seniority fight (after appeal, of course). To the company, that probably looks like a quicker solution than waiting for a ratified contract and then a suit to play out - a suit that could put them in the position of defendant no matter which way they go on seniority. I'm just not convinced that the Judge is going to give them one of their three choices - in which case the suit has presumably delayed things although I'm not sure negotiations would go any faster if the DJ wasn't hanging out there.

Remember, requests for DJ are not uncommon. They are in this situation because this is an uncommon situation.

Jim

 

[mikey60]

Well smart guy, neither of the two people you mentioned is off on what is referred to as "restricted duty". Now let's not forget that RD in this case means PAID LEAVE. Nice work (so to speak) if you can get it....Hey, maybe it's not to late to implicate me in "Address-Gate"......... 😀 ......."I've have no recollection of that incident, your Honor." 😀

The money for the equipment must be coming from ALPA, right? After all they are funding everything else, right?

3,...2,.....1,......BLASTOFF! 😛

 

[Boeing Driver]

Actually you can and that's the list that will be used.

And that effort to use the fatally flawed NIC list would be tied up in court for many years - rendering any attempt at another merger untenable.

Boeing Driver

 

[Claxon]

Actually you can and that's the list that will be used.

Very easy to say. I read the 9th decision western. They trump your opinion big time. You really say a lot, but not much of it has any substance at all. Just like Franke Air. They hired lots of disciples who can't do much but parrot the Franke Air mantra.

 

[Claxon]

So the 9th said that as long as the majority is happy it's ok? I think what the 9th said is that the west "might' not object to whatever list usapa comes up with and because no one knows what usapa will come up with until a contract is ratified then we won't answer the question. The 9th also said that usapa must bargain equally for the west or be subject to a "painfully" ripe dfr, what do you think that means?

It is always about poor western pilot harm. Looks like every other labor group on the Franke property went date of hire. You need to get in line with everyone else and quit whining.