US Pilots Labor Discussion

[Res Judicata]

You are a genius. In one case there is too much money involved and in the other there is too much seniority involved. Nothing will change in either.

Nothing will change with the pickleballers running the circus. Their days a numbered. Would you still have voted for your savior union all those years ago if you knew, for a fact, that you weren't going to see any contractual improvements over loa93 for at least 7 full years...probably closer to 10? They said they could wrap this up in 90 days and that they didn't need the west to agree to anything. They were Wrong about that time line only by about 30 orders of magnitude.

Oh, and not needing the West to "be on board" with USCABA....biggest mis-calculation in the history of organized labor. I know the hard core lunatics like MM, and nosumclaxhole have no limits upon their willingness to cut their nose off to spite their faces but as for the vast majority of the East, I don't believe it to be true....which is why the VERY LAST thing USCABA is ever going to allow is an independent, honest survey of the East pilot group whereby the results will be made available independently, 100% free of Scott "sewer with a lisps" Burmese style censorship and hyperbolic, disingenuous spin machine.

The fact is, the pilot group is the furthest concern of this fake labor union. They exist for no other reason than to feed the crazed egos of a handful of maniacs running the ship aground.

 

[Phoenix]

Nothing will change ...

Like I said you are a genius. You repeat what I say. How could I disagree with you?

 

[USA320Pilot]

Dear Fellow Pilot,

I just read Lyle Hogg's CBS message regarding the LCA incident. It bothers me that this pilot group overlooks the union leadership's communication, which no longer misrepresents information and misleads people, but flat out lies to the pilots. USAPA's supporters continue to overlook the damage that is being done to every one of US Airways' stakeholders by our collective bargaining agent. What does this say about us and our personal character?

Make no mistake about it, I don't like what has happened to our profession or the Nicolau Award any more than any other East pilot, but what useful purpose does it serve to support or participate with people who damage our company and hurt our customers and fellow employees? Let me answer that question - none!

I just don't get it, but what I do know is this destructive behavior needs to stop now! I am urging every US Airways pilot to do the right thing, for those of us who have pent up personal anger to let go of this emotion, and for all of us to encourage others to do the right thing. Why? Our career, our family's well being, and our job just might require it - especially for those who want to work here for more than a few years.

Sincerely,

USA320Pilot

 

[Res Judicata]

Like I said you are a genius. You repeat what I say. How could I disagree with you?

The disagreement apparently lies with the fact that you...at least tacitly, approve of the behavior, strategies, and overall manifesto of USAPA...the worlds more useless, pathetic labor union. While I, OTOH, actually expect my union to work for the advancement of my career, not be laser focused on DESTROYING it.

Get rid of these idiots, get a real union, and things will change for the better. I don't think that's an outrageous sentiment.

 

[USA320Pilot]

The disagreement apparently lies with the fact that you...at least tacitly, approve of the behavior, strategies, and overall manifest of USAPA...the worlds more useless, pathetic labor union. While I, OTOH, actually expect my union to work for the advancement of my career, not be laser focused on DESTROYING it.

Get rid of these idiots, get a real union, and things will change for the better. I don't think that's an outrageous sentiment.

Res Judicata,

I agree with your statement above 100%. USAPA is a despicable organization.

USA320Pilot

 

[Phoenix]

Res, Alas, your genius was a mere fleeting anomaly. I will rue the day 320 agrees with me.

 

[Move2CLT]

Said the eastie. I don't think he'll lose any sleep over that post.

 

[Pi brat]

Stupid post boo boo even for you. This scenario was expected on 9/11 and you post is completely irrelevant to this thread.

Ah, hurt your feelings? It is completely relevant to this thread.

Let's review. From this one online link we learn that a US flight had a costly diversion for "suspicious" acting passengers who later it was determined were Israeli citizens with poor English skills, and that authorities decided were of no threat and put on another flight to PHX. So, are you saying that we shouldn't judge the actions of the crew because we weren't there at the time, we don't know the exact actions of the passengers and since the entire nation was on a higher level a awareness due to the 9/11 anniversary they were just erring on the side of caution,and their actions were, as far as we can discern, reasonable? Great, because we finally agree on something. No apply the same type of logic to east events, okay?

 

[Piedmont1984]

....which is why the VERY LAST thing USCABA is ever going to allow is an independent, honest survey of the East pilot group whereby the results will be made available independently, 100% free of Scott "sewer with a lisps" Burmese style censorship and hyperbolic, disingenuous spin machine.

I agree that the USAPA incumbants would not want such a survey. Which is why the spring elections, by serving as a referendum - will constitute a virtual survey - provided you are a MIGS.

The west exhibits a schizophrenic attitude toward a number of issues. Take Cleary, they hate him, but are willing to re-elect him, or at least not obstruct his re-election, for reasons that are more convoluted than intrigue at the royal court during Henry VIII's reign. And no serious recall attempt; 1800 PHX pilots, a few hundred ALPA loyalists in the east - and not even a petition - just poor mouth.

Same behavior toward USAPA. You can't stomach the union, many of you claim you have the numbers (USA320Pilot can verify this), but no card drive. The excuse now, even if we lose LOA93, is that neither ALPA nor the IBT wants us until the seniority issue is resloved.

Same regarding contract negotiations. The west cheerleads for management, takes every opportunity to criticize, denigrate and in some cases undermine the effort by the east. Despite the dysfuntionality within the union hierarchy, many east rank and filers have taken it upon themselves to do what they can. East pilots are now being called out on the carpet in numbers approaching the hundreds, while the west watches with glee, hopes for failure while excoriating the union for not being able to secure a contract.

Where is Sigmund when you need him?

 

[Pi brat]

Dear Fellow Pilot,

I just read Lyle Hogg's CBS message regarding the LCA incident. It bothers me that this pilot group overlooks the union leadership's communication, which no longer misrepresents information and misleads people, but flat out lies to the pilots. USAPA's supporters continue to overlook the damage that is being done to every one of US Airways' stakeholders by our collective bargaining agent. What does this say about us and our personal character?

Make no mistake about it, I don't like what has happened to our profession or the Nicolau Award any more than any other East pilot, but what useful purpose does it serve to support or participate with people who damage our company and hurt our customers and fellow employees? Let me answer that question - none!

I just don't get it, but what I do know is this destructive behavior needs to stop now! I am urging every US Airways pilot to do the right thing, for those of us who have pent up personal anger to let go of this emotion, and for all of us to encourage others to do the right thing. Why? Our career, our family's well being, and our job just might require it - especially for those who want to work here for more than a few years.

Sincerely,

USA320Pilot

Hey USA, welcome back. I guess you left the other day before you saw my question, so I will ask again. Are you a MIGS with USAPA?

 

[USA320Pilot]

Hey USA, welcome back. I guess you left the other day before you saw my question, so I will ask again. Are you a MIGS with USAPA?

Pi brat,

I skim this message board, I read only a few posts (I primarily post information), and I did not see your question before. My current status is a Challenger in Good Standing.

USA320Pilot

 

[Move2CLT]

I agree that the USAPA incumbants would not want such a survey. Which is why the spring elections, by serving as a referendum - will constitute a virtual survey - provided you are a MIGS.

The west exhibits a schizophrenic attitude toward a number of issues. Take Cleary, they hate him, but are willing to re-elect him, or at least not obstruct his re-election, for reasons that are more convoluted than intrigue at the royal court during Henry VIII's reign. And no serious recall attempt; 1800 PHX pilots, a few hundred ALPA loyalists in the east - and not even a petition - just poor mouth.

Same behavior toward USAPA. You can't stomach the union, many of you claim you have the numbers (USA320Pilot can verify this), but no card drive. The excuse now, even if we lose LOA93, is that neither ALPA nor the IBT wants us until the seniority issue is resloved.

Same regarding contract negotiations. The west cheerleads for management, takes every opportunity to criticize, denigrate and in some cases undermine the effort by the east. Despite the dysfuntionality within the union hierarchy, many east rank and filers have taken it upon themselves to do what they can. East pilots are now being called out on the carpet in numbers approaching the hundreds, while the west watches with glee, hopes for failure while excoriating the union for not being able to secure a contract.

Where is Sigmund when you need him?

Nothing schizophrenic at all K. The allies did the same thing with Hitler. They had opportunities to kill him but they understood that leaving him in power would bring the war to an end much quicker. Same with Cleary. Look what he's done - he's made you guys ineffective now. Impending injunction and no leverage. No you guys can flounder for years to come.

Perfect.

I still laugh at how you guys are happy with status quo yet look for compromise. Talk about schizos!!!!

LMAO!

 

[Pi brat]

Pi brat,

I skim this message board, I read only a few posts (I primarily post information), and I did not see your question before. My current status is a Challenger in Good Standing.

USA320Pilot

No problem, thanks for answering. Now another question. Does that status allow you to vote for reps and officers? What level of participation in the union does it allow? Thanks.

 

[lynyrdskynyrd]

Same behavior toward USAPA. You can't stomach the union, many of you claim you have the numbers (USA320Pilot can verify this), but no card drive. The excuse now, even if we lose LOA93, is that neither ALPA nor the IBT wants us until the seniority issue is resloved.

We won't live long enough to see a card drive around here. Five hundred years from now they'll still be debating the right time, waiting for this or that event, blah blah blah. Not being a Mig is a useless exercise. No say in anything that goes on, and the replacing the union that so many of these guys(mostly challengers, non migs etc) pontificate about isn't happening or going to happen. We're going nowhere for quite some time to come I'm afraid.

'We need to replace this union, it's the only answer. Just give me another 50 years while I find the right timing for the card drive...' 🙄

 

[USA320Pilot]

No problem, thanks for answering. Now another question. Does that status allow you to vote for reps and officers? What level of participation in the union does it allow? Thanks.

Pi brat,

My current status permits me to participate in the Agency Fee Arbitration. If I was a Member in Good Standing I could not challenge USAPA's dues, which I believe are excessive because US Airways' pilots pay more in dues and assessments than any other pilot group in the entire U.S. During the last two years USAPA has lowered their Germane dues by 6.8%, which I believe is partly due to my participation, testimony, and written briefs filed with AAA's Arbitrator.

Right now I'm considering joining the Reform USAPA effort and giving up fighting USAPA's excessive dues, which would require me becoming a MIGS and pay the $100 initiation fee.

USA320Pilot