US Pilots Labor Discussion

[Black Swan]

Although I am Catholic......it's not faith that I'm relying on. It's a realistic approach. I'm in agreement with Clear. If the award was out.....preliminary or otherwise, why would they not release the findings or at least a leak (that everyone on these boards seems to have an inside track on!!). I'd love to eat crow.....but be honest. It just doesn't seem to be in the cards. Whatever the decision is.........I only hope we can move on!

Jok, the award is NOT out. Kasher met in exec session with both parties for a last go over, clarification. Nobody saw his decision, because he was not finished writing it.

 

[Black Swan]

The only way forward is to Kill or Fundamentally reform USAPA.

Kill is by far the easiest approach. Card drive 6 months after Injunction and announcement of LOA93 loss is my bet. Predictably, Das Clearuor will attempt to slam this mess into the Teamsters first as he sits in his underground bunker with bombs falling on top of it. Of course, with no vote from the membership as they can't be trusted to understand the strategy. Besides, Gods never have to explain themselves to the masses.

East wins LOA. No injunction. Leonidas finished. A more realistic outcome.

 

[BoeingBoy]

And who is the NEW bargaining agent ?? Not ALPA!

Let me guess - you think that the contract went away when USAPA was voted in too. After all, they weren't the bargaining agent when it was negotiated and agreed to. Was it?

Let's see...USAPA inherits all agreements between the previous union and the company. Had they agreed on the SLI? Yes. Now let me guess what your response is - the SLI hadn't been implemented so USAPA isn't bound by it. Am I warm? Well, guess what - the "unfreeze" portion of LOA 93 hadn't been implemented when USAPA took over either, yet you claim it is enforceable.

Either all agreements ALPA made with the company are valid, or none are. You don't get to pick and choose. This isn't a Chinese restaurant where you can take one from column A and one from column B.

BTW, have you figured out why the reduced rates were frozen in LOA 93 yet? If you're right, why didn't it just say "Reduce current rates 18% until 1/1/2010?"

Jim

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

Punctuation young Padawan, Punctuation. (Yoda voice) Much learning it is you need.

Blow it out your ass, oh I guess nothing is left!

 

[mikey60]

Hey Breeze,

When all is said and done, if you end up stealing the West's seniority through the scab union, the difference between a West pilot and an east pilot will be that I would still lend a West pilot money, my car, maybe even let them stay in my house. But, I would not trust a reneging east scab to give me the time of day.

There is your "lottery ticket".

$.50, a 1997 beat up Hyundai, small bedroom in the doublewide. Boy what a nice guy.

 

[Move2CLT]

USAPA has activated the CIRP. Pulling guys off the line for next week. Any guess as to why? Sounds like you guys are going to need a shoulder to cry on.

 

[Move2CLT]

Jok, the award is NOT out. Kasher met in exec session with both parties for a last go over, clarification. Nobody saw his decision, because he was not finished writing it.

The decision was done and was not changed. The company asked for executive session to delay the release of the award hoping the injunction would be put in place before then. With the limit of the session coming up, it may come to the point where the decision will come out without the injunction. The CIRP has been activates and members will be positioned sometime in the next 7-10 days. It's coming and the east lost.

 

[Move2CLT]

East wins LOA. No injunction. Leonidas finished. A more realistic outcome.

Your life is about to get even more miserable.

 

[A320 Driver]

Your life is about to get even more miserable.

I only wish we could find a way to return the favor.

 

[Black Swan]

Let me guess - you think that the contract went away when USAPA was voted in too. After all, they weren't the bargaining agent when it was negotiated and agreed to. Was it?

Let's see...USAPA inherits all agreements between the previous union and the company. Had they agreed on the SLI? Yes. Now let me guess what your response is - the SLI hadn't been implemented so USAPA isn't bound by it. Am I warm? Well, guess what - the "unfreeze" portion of LOA 93 hadn't been implemented when USAPA took over either, yet you claim it is enforceable.

Either all agreements ALPA made with the company are valid, or none are. You don't get to pick and choose. This isn't a Chinese restaurant where you can take one from column A and one from column B.

BTW, have you figured out why the reduced rates were frozen in LOA 93 yet? If you're right, why didn't it just say "Reduce current rates 18% until 1/1/2010?"

Jim

First, the list was never accepted by Parker, contrary to what you say. Nobody on this property has ever, ever received a seniority list with the company logo on it, printed by the company that incorporated the NICOLAU AWARD. Never. We have for many, many yrs received lists from the company, one notable one being the Kagel Award immediately after AAA PAI merged.Why does Parker continue to reference his famous statement in each West crew #### session "THIS IS FOR YOU GUYS TO DECIDE". ???? Because he gets the concept that you, and by the way Judge Wake can't understand it either,that it IS for us to decide. So even in the face of what you read that the 9th said, that the NICOLAU might NOT be part of the eventual seniority list, you still don't get it. The 9th warned of harm, but did NOT include the NICOLAU. Show me a seniority list the company printed with the Nic with USAPA and the USAirways logo, paid for by Airways and You win.

 

[Black Swan]

I only wish we could find a way to return the favor.

Be patient. When Kasher comes in, it is over with these guys and Leonidas.

 

[BoeingBoy]

First, the list was never accepted by Parker, contrary to what you say. Nobody on this property has ever, ever received a seniority list with the company logo on it, printed by the company that incorporated the NICOLAU AWARD. Never.

Keep grasping at those straws... I guess you think Parker says nothing but the truth in crew news sessions and lies in legal filings... You were better off claiming that the AP movie was proof...

ALPA presented the integrated seniority list mandated by the Nicolau Award to US Airways in late 2007, and, as required by the Transition Agreement, US Airways accepted that integrated seniority list on December 20, 2007.

Jim

 

[cactusboy53]

I only wish we could find a way to return the favor.

Here's the problem with your request: WE DIDN'T DO ANYTHING TO YOU. What's to return?

 

[prechilill]

Here's the problem with your request: WE DIDN'T DO ANYTHING TO YOU. What's to return?

Trust, respect, a focused approach- those sorts of things which the east would find pretty foreign.

 

[Move2CLT]

Be patient. When Kasher comes in, it is over with these guys and Leonidas.

I can see you going mental when it doesn't go your way. At least you'll have the CIRPs shoulder to cry on.