US Pilots Labor Discussion

[luvthe9]

Twist? Who is it that used a movie to support a particular definition of "freeze"? Not me. You're grasping at any straw that floats by, Swan, and the water in the bowl is swirling down the drain...

Jim

You have no understanding of LOA93 which is obvious, you should just try to enjoy you retirement and stay out of things you don't understand.

 

[luvthe9]

AMR Bankruptcy plan http://www.forbes.com/sites/greatspeculations/2011/09/21/amr-could-play-bankruptcy-card-to-break-labor-logjam/

 

[Black Swan]

True, but if I read the arbitration right, a win would put more money in our paychecks right away, but the remedy for retroactive pay has to be negotiated between USAPA and the company. That could take a long time.

Driver B)

Not if Kasher awards it straight up. He could simply give them a time period, or a remedy USAPA agrees to negotiate. He won' t leave it open ended.

 

[BoeingBoy]

Thanks Cactusboy, but you really need to familiarize yourself with a bargaining position in a union and an arbitration between a company and it's labor.

You do know that the bargaining on a SLI stops when a position is accepted by the company and the union - right? You know that ALPA and the company accepted the Nic - right? And that there's no ratification of the SLI - right? Never mind, given that you keep calling the Nic a bargaining position, the answers are clear.

Jim

 

[Black Swan]

Twist? Who is it that used a movie to support a particular definition of "freeze"? Not me. "Arbitrator Kasher, watch this Austin Powers movie and you'll see that we're right."

You're grasping at any straw that floats by, Swan, and the water in the bowl is swirling down the drain. Just leave those fig brown straws alone...

Jim

It didn't go like that all BB. It was pretty clear who was trying to steal from their employees who gave the money that saved the thieves. Time up, pay up. Understand that?

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

I think you are quite wrong if back pay is included in the award they will have to pay as they did in the USA3000 award Kasher did, we will not negotiate in any way nor do we have to, no talks at all till the retro pay is in our pockets and the new rate is on my pay stub, then we might talk. And I know as much as the west guys don't deserve a penny for the way they have been to us we still need to get them up to our new pay. I'm sure that wont be a popular comment. just my opinion.

Actually it isn't alot of us are onboard! MM!

 

[jetjok1]

Here is another roll. What are you going to say when the east 320 Capt pay goes to 185.00. Hr soon? Think anyone east will vote for anything Nic? This is where your pay parity stupidity comes and hits you hard in the rear. Which of the founders made that decision?

We're not getting that kind of a pay raise. Where do you come off with this s...!

 

[Black Swan]

We're not getting that kind of a pay raise. Where do you come off with this s...!

What were the LOA 84 rates then?

 

[usabusdriver]

I gave you a very specific answer that deals precisely to what a pay freeze means. Even out of the context of our CBA, a pay freeze is a stand alone animal.It has no requirement of even being interpreted in our contract sphere. Our contract usage only makes the case even stronger in its' use on us. Easily understood by Kasher. He has dealt with it many, many times. He doesn't split hairs like you do, to favor one group over another due to a pathological anomaly. He is a seasoned arbitrator. You can try like this miserable management to try and lie, twist, and turn. Freeze in our contract is used in a specific method, historically, with an END, not a negotiation. Outside of our contract, a pay freeze means TEMPORARY, with no mention of negotiating out of it. It has a date, and that is the term, just like a note, mortgage, jail term or anything else. Especially pay freezes. You answer me one thing, and I sincerely doubt you will, but what does the Date of Dec 31 2009 mean in association with REDUCED and FROZEN pay??? AND, Why is there no date assigned with ANY other item in LOA 93? I will tell you why. As much as I disagree with ALPA, THEY INSISTED THAT DATE GO IN!

BS,

What does the date 5/1/2004 mean in association with reduced and frozen pay? :huh:

 

[luvthe9]

We're not getting that kind of a pay raise. Where do you come off with this s...!

Ye have little faith!!!

 

[Black Swan]

BS,

What does the date 5/1/2004 mean in association with reduced and frozen pay? :huh:

The worst case is 151 for starters plus the 3 per cents for three yrs. with a shot at 185 if he sees it that way. Read Butkovics ' argument.The worst case goes to roughly 165 this yr coming up .If we win.worst case. Counting the 3 per cents each yr.

 

[Res Judicata]

Actually it isn't alot of us are onboard! MM!

Punctuation young Padawan, Punctuation. (Yoda voice) Much learning it is you need.

 

[jetjok1]

Ye have little faith!!!

Although I am Catholic......it's not faith that I'm relying on. It's a realistic approach. I'm in agreement with Clear. If the award was out.....preliminary or otherwise, why would they not release the findings or at least a leak (that everyone on these boards seems to have an inside track on!!). I'd love to eat crow.....but be honest. It just doesn't seem to be in the cards. Whatever the decision is.........I only hope we can move on!

 

[jetjok1]

The worst case is 151 for starters plus the 3 per cents for three yrs. with a shot at 185 if he sees it that way. Read Butkovics ' argument.The worst case goes to roughly 165 this yr coming up .If we win.worst case. Counting the 3 per cents each yr.

Well BS, that's more realistic. " with a shot at 185 if he sees it that way"..............right...........he has no heart, no soul, no empathy, no nothing........not a chance

 

[Res Judicata]

Whatever the decision is.........I only hope we can move on!

The only way forward is to Kill or Fundamentally reform USAPA.

Kill is by far the easiest approach. Card drive 6 months after Injunction and announcement of LOA93 loss is my bet. Predictably, Das Clearuor will attempt to slam this mess into the Teamsters first as he sits in his underground bunker with bombs falling on top of it. Of course, with no vote from the membership as they can't be trusted to understand the strategy. Besides, Gods never have to explain themselves to the masses.